RE: [Utah-astronomy] Shuttle - our experience
I can see what appears to be something on my east most shots, does anyone know how to ask NASA if they want these? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jim Gibson Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 2:31 PM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Shuttle - our expierence I would like Patrick to respond first but he must be tied up right now. My expierence was as follows. I met Patrick and others at exit 23 outside of St. George about 6:00 AM along with my wife and 4 year old grandson. We went to a good observation point and Patrick and I set up our cameras. There were about 10 others inour group there. Patrick set his up with a telephoto (film) and he suggested that I set mine up wide angle (digital). Patrick kept us informed when to watch for the shuttle. The Shuttle approached where and when he said it would to the West or North West about 7:56 (+ or - a minute). My camera was set at f2.8 open for 8 seconds. I took my first shot. The thing was beautiful, straight as an arrow, obviously high, and moving fast, and way faster than any jet airline I had ever seen. The Shuttle glowed with an indescribable orange glow. By the time the first shot ended I could tell the Shuttle was on top of me so I shot straight up. I touched off the camera the looked up just in time to see a noticeable increase in glow, not only in brightness but also in width of the contrail. Later, Patrick referred to the event as a flare. The shot ended and I had to turn the camera 180 degrees, pointed towards the eastern horizon and shot off another picture. The whole time my wife was using my Galileo binoculars 15X70s. Sheila, my wife, saw the bottom of the space shuttle with 15x Binos at approximately 300,000 feet and could see swirls of flames or balls of heat coming from off the tiles. She would compare it to when someone sucks on a cigarette the end glows and there are sparklies and it keeps getting brighter as they suck. While she was watching, she said, "I see flames." We understand that this was our first experience observing the re-entry; we are inexperienced and were unalarmed at the site. Sheila wants to be cautious because they weren't like licking flames, just a growing brighter glow like a cigarette. We don't know if what we saw was normal. She could not see the individual tiles but she could see a lot of dynamic activity or movement on the bottom (don't blow this out of proportion, maybe normal). She noticed this at about the 10 o'clock position to the 12 o'clock position relative to our location. She didn't see anything fall or any debris. She did NOT notice the flair per se that I photographed. Jim Gibson _____ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! <http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http:/mailplus.yahoo.com> Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now <http://rd.yahoo.com/mail/mailsig/*http:/mailplus.yahoo.com>
Nasa is asking for photos. The address to send them is: nasamitimages@jsc.nasa.gov I saw this very quickly , and hope it is correct. I am sure they'll need to know location and time as well as details of the image - focal length, exposure, etc. Brent --- Wayne Reese <wreese@hubwest.com> wrote:
I can see what appears to be something on my east most shots, does anyone know how to ask NASA if they want these? Wayne
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jim Gibson Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 2:31 PM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Shuttle - our expierence
I would like Patrick to respond first but he must be tied up right now. My expierence was as follows. I met Patrick and others at exit 23 outside of St. George about 6:00 AM along with my wife and 4 year old grandson. We went to a good observation point and Patrick and I set up our cameras. There were about 10 others inour group there. Patrick set his up with a telephoto (film) and he suggested that I set mine up wide angle (digital). Patrick kept us informed when to watch for the shuttle. The Shuttle approached where and when he said it would to the West or North West about 7:56 (+ or - a minute). My camera was set at f2.8 open for 8 seconds. I took my first shot. The thing was beautiful, straight as an arrow, obviously high, and moving fast, and way faster than any jet airline I had ever seen. The Shuttle glowed with an indescribable orange glow. By the time the first shot ended I could tell the Shuttle was on top of me so I shot straight up. I touched off the camera the looked up just in time to see a noticeable increase in glow, not only in brightness but also in width of the contrail. Later, Patrick referred to the event as a flare. The shot ended and I had to turn the camera 180 degrees, pointed towards the eastern horizon and shot off another picture. The whole time my wife was using my Galileo binoculars 15X70s. Sheila, my wife, saw the bottom of the space shuttle with 15x Binos at approximately 300,000 feet and could see swirls of flames or balls of heat coming from off the tiles. She would compare it to when someone sucks on a cigarette the end glows and there are sparklies and it keeps getting brighter as they suck. While she was watching, she said, "I see flames." We understand that this was our first experience observing the re-entry; we are inexperienced and were unalarmed at the site. Sheila wants to be cautious because they weren't like licking flames, just a growing brighter glow like a cigarette. We don't know if what we saw was normal. She could not see the individual tiles but she could see a lot of dynamic activity or movement on the bottom (don't blow this out of proportion, maybe normal). She noticed this at about the 10 o'clock position to the 12 o'clock position relative to our location. She didn't see anything fall or any debris. She did NOT notice the flair per se that I photographed. Jim Gibson
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A new email site for images and descriptions was just announced. It is: columbiaimages@nasa.gov Those who saw something or have photos should send their reports and photos along. From the time frame given by NASA, the orbiter was already having trouble before we saw it. Brent --- Wayne Reese <wreese@hubwest.com> wrote:
I can see what appears to be something on my east most shots, does anyone know how to ask NASA if they want these? Wayne
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jim Gibson Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 2:31 PM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Shuttle - our expierence
I would like Patrick to respond first but he must be tied up right now. My expierence was as follows. I met Patrick and others at exit 23 outside of St. George about 6:00 AM along with my wife and 4 year old grandson. We went to a good observation point and Patrick and I set up our cameras. There were about 10 others inour group there. Patrick set his up with a telephoto (film) and he suggested that I set mine up wide angle (digital). Patrick kept us informed when to watch for the shuttle. The Shuttle approached where and when he said it would to the West or North West about 7:56 (+ or - a minute). My camera was set at f2.8 open for 8 seconds. I took my first shot. The thing was beautiful, straight as an arrow, obviously high, and moving fast, and way faster than any jet airline I had ever seen. The Shuttle glowed with an indescribable orange glow. By the time the first shot ended I could tell the Shuttle was on top of me so I shot straight up. I touched off the camera the looked up just in time to see a noticeable increase in glow, not only in brightness but also in width of the contrail. Later, Patrick referred to the event as a flare. The shot ended and I had to turn the camera 180 degrees, pointed towards the eastern horizon and shot off another picture. The whole time my wife was using my Galileo binoculars 15X70s. Sheila, my wife, saw the bottom of the space shuttle with 15x Binos at approximately 300,000 feet and could see swirls of flames or balls of heat coming from off the tiles. She would compare it to when someone sucks on a cigarette the end glows and there are sparklies and it keeps getting brighter as they suck. While she was watching, she said, "I see flames." We understand that this was our first experience observing the re-entry; we are inexperienced and were unalarmed at the site. Sheila wants to be cautious because they weren't like licking flames, just a growing brighter glow like a cigarette. We don't know if what we saw was normal. She could not see the individual tiles but she could see a lot of dynamic activity or movement on the bottom (don't blow this out of proportion, maybe normal). She noticed this at about the 10 o'clock position to the 12 o'clock position relative to our location. She didn't see anything fall or any debris. She did NOT notice the flair per se that I photographed. Jim Gibson
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Dear Friends, I have three matters I'd like to mention. 1. Would anyone care to read the unedited (i.e., longer) version of my story about watching the shuttle? 2. Does any member of this list live in St. George who could give me a hand? Or is anyone from our area traveling to that region soon? The reason I ask is that when Dave Dunn drove back to tell me about the shuttle disaster, I was so shocked and saddened that I forgot to finish packing my gear. I left for Salt Lake City immediately, leaving a cloth carryall behind. It held some astronomy magazines, a couple of star handbook, my telescope manual and some other items. If anyone from that area wanted to go to the abandoned landing field where we spent the night, retrieve my bag and send it to me, I would be overjoyed - glad to pay any gas and mailing expenses. 3. Anyone want to see views of the folks at the landing strip after the shuttle passed, or a shot I took of Saturn before I hit the sack that night, or sunrise the morning of the shuttle? If so, I could send along jpgs. Thanks very much, Joe Bauman
Joe, I would very much appreciate reading your unedited article, and seeing the photos you took. Thanks, Brent --- Joe Bauman <bau@desnews.com> wrote:
Dear Friends, I have three matters I'd like to mention. 1. Would anyone care to read the unedited (i.e., longer) version of my story about watching the shuttle? 2. Does any member of this list live in St. George who could give me a hand? Or is anyone from our area traveling to that region soon? The reason I ask is that when Dave Dunn drove back to tell me about the shuttle disaster, I was so shocked and saddened that I forgot to finish packing my gear. I left for Salt Lake City immediately, leaving a cloth carryall behind. It held some astronomy magazines, a couple of star handbook, my telescope manual and some other items. If anyone from that area wanted to go to the abandoned landing field where we spent the night, retrieve my bag and send it to me, I would be overjoyed - glad to pay any gas and mailing expenses. 3. Anyone want to see views of the folks at the landing strip after the shuttle passed, or a shot I took of Saturn before I hit the sack that night, or sunrise the morning of the shuttle? If so, I could send along jpgs.
Thanks very much, Joe Bauman
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Joe. I'll be happy to run out to the site and get your bag. Give me you cell number so I can call and get exact directions when I get out there. I know where the airport is but not where you were standing. (parked) Barney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Bauman" <bau@desnews.com> To: <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:20 PM Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] Shuttle - our experience
Dear Friends, I have three matters I'd like to mention. 1. Would anyone care to read the unedited (i.e., longer) version of my story about watching the shuttle? 2. Does any member of this list live in St. George who could give me a hand? Or is anyone from our area traveling to that region soon? The reason I ask is that when Dave Dunn drove back to tell me about the shuttle disaster, I was so shocked and saddened that I forgot to finish packing my gear. I left for Salt Lake City immediately, leaving a cloth carryall behind. It held some astronomy magazines, a couple of star handbook, my telescope manual and some other items. If anyone from that area wanted to go to the abandoned landing field where we spent the night, retrieve my bag and send it to me, I would be overjoyed - glad to pay any gas and mailing expenses. 3. Anyone want to see views of the folks at the landing strip after the shuttle passed, or a shot I took of Saturn before I hit the sack that night, or sunrise the morning of the shuttle? If so, I could send along jpgs.
Thanks very much, Joe Bauman
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Sorry I can't recall the name of this thread, but I've had to do a lot of deleting today to keep my mailbox from filling up, inevitably wiped a few that I wanted to respond-to in depth. Anyway.... C'mon, guys, you're drawing a conclusion from one outing, with one filter? I have used a blue filter many times to increase the visibility of festoons at the edge of the equatorial belts. These are tiny details that you won't see at low powers and probably won't see through even thin cloud and less than perfect seeing. I'm not talking about the largish shear features, resembling "fingers" that most commonly are seen, but small, delicate wisps at the edge of resolution. I think when Mars comes into opposition you will have more dramitic opportunities to experience the advantages of filters. Your and Brent's descriptions tell me that you're not looking for details that a filter can actually help bring-out. You're still expecting an "Ah-ha" experience....this is more subtle than that. C. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
We were in the parking area by the model port, closer to the grandstand. --- "B. Bettilyon" <aaah@sisna.com> wrote:
Joe. I'll be happy to run out to the site and get your bag.
Give me you cell number so I can call and get exact directions when I get out there.
I know where the airport is but not where you were standing. (parked)
Barney
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Bauman" <bau@desnews.com> To: <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:20 PM Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] Shuttle - our experience
Dear Friends, I have three matters I'd like to mention. 1. Would anyone care to read the unedited (i.e., longer) version of my story about watching the shuttle? 2. Does any member of this list live in St. George who could give me a hand? Or is anyone from our area traveling to that region soon? The reason I ask is that when Dave Dunn drove back to tell me about the shuttle disaster, I was so shocked and saddened that I forgot to finish packing my gear. I left for Salt Lake City immediately, leaving a cloth carryall behind. It held some astronomy magazines, a couple of star handbook, my telescope manual and some other items. If anyone from that area wanted to go to the abandoned landing field where we spent the night, retrieve my bag and send it to me, I would be overjoyed - glad to pay any gas and mailing expenses. 3. Anyone want to see views of the folks at the landing strip after the shuttle passed, or a shot I took of Saturn before I hit the sack that night, or sunrise the morning of the shuttle? If so, I could send along jpgs.
Thanks very much, Joe Bauman
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Hi All, I believe Deb is going to take a look if she gets a chance. Please no more help on that, because it's not a lot of valuable equipment -- just a few items. I am very grateful. Thank you, Joe
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