Re: [Utah-astronomy] Patch Springs fire (also Persieds)
Our Jeep was packed and I planned to try again for Lakeside because the air was relatively clear this morning. Some friends and I went to lunch and a movie in Bountiful and when we emerged, I realized I had no chance tonight. I'll have to unpack and wait till September. -- Joe ------------------------------ On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 3:51 PM MDT Patrick Wiggins wrote:
Funny you should ask, Chuck,
I was just out changing the water in the various bird baths I have around my place and happened to notice the Sun's reflection in one of them:
http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/temp/sun.jpg
As usual the image does not do the actual scene justice. But you can get an idea of how red the Sun's looking. The small white piece to the lower left of the Sun dropped into the water as I was about to take the picture. Turned out to be a piece of ash.
There's also an elongated dark colored mass to the Sun's lower right. Doesn't look like ash. Rather more like a specimen a bird left behind. :)
The Sun is so red that the ground all around has a reddish glow. The plume itself is obvious stretching from the source to the SW, through the zenith and on to the NE. But that's not all that's up there. There's some very impressive cloud building going on too.
BTW, IMO is showing that as of an hour ago the Perseid's still had a ZHR of 70 ±8.
patrick
On 13 Aug 2013, at 15:06, Chuck Hards wrote:
6300 acres and spreading, looks like it's reached the peak of the Stansbury mountains and may be moving down the other side toward Hickman.
The plume is now moving ENE and is bisecting the SL valley at high altitude. I can smell smoke, but it's not as strong as one would expect.
Patrick (or anyone else in or near Tooele or Grantsville), what's the situation over there? Looks pretty bleak from this side of the Oquirrhs. I'm wondering if this fire could actually make it to Grantsville...
No sun viewing for me this afternoon. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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Three hours ago the smoke plume was directly over the SL valley, now I see the sun and blue sky overhead. The plume has shifted to moving NNE and is now well north of us, covering Davis county. Joe, you would probably have good skies in the areas south of Rush Valley, but it does mean an extra 30 minutes or so of driving. I see now that the Rockport fire has enlarged. Several structures have been lost, some of them homes. With wind out of the south, areas north of there on the Wasatch back won't be any good tonight.
Very smoky in Park City from the fire near Rockport. Nancy Sent from my iPad On Aug 13, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Three hours ago the smoke plume was directly over the SL valley, now I see the sun and blue sky overhead. The plume has shifted to moving NNE and is now well north of us, covering Davis county.
Joe, you would probably have good skies in the areas south of Rush Valley, but it does mean an extra 30 minutes or so of driving.
I see now that the Rockport fire has enlarged. Several structures have been lost, some of them homes. With wind out of the south, areas north of there on the Wasatch back won't be any good tonight. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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Clear skies in Heber but ashes are falling. First time it has been clear in weeks and it's not really clear. Was in Minden NV and Sacramento CA the past four days and not a cloud to be seen the whole time. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Nancy Matro <nancy.matro@gmail.com> wrote:
Very smoky in Park City from the fire near Rockport.
Nancy
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On Aug 13, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Three hours ago the smoke plume was directly over the SL valley, now I see the sun and blue sky overhead. The plume has shifted to moving NNE and is now well north of us, covering Davis county.
Joe, you would probably have good skies in the areas south of Rush Valley, but it does mean an extra 30 minutes or so of driving.
I see now that the Rockport fire has enlarged. Several structures have been lost, some of them homes. With wind out of the south, areas north of there on the Wasatch back won't be any good tonight. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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-- Such a long long time to be gone, such a short time to be there.
Patrick was right: last night's observing at Lakeside was grand. Thank you, Patrick! The smoke was blowing to the north and east, sparing Lakeside as it is west of Skull Valley. I found more haze in SLC this morning than at Lakeside last night. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Robert Taylor <ratskradmt@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Patch Springs fire (also Persieds) Clear skies in Heber but ashes are falling. First time it has been clear in weeks and it's not really clear. Was in Minden NV and Sacramento CA the past four days and not a cloud to be seen the whole time. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Nancy Matro <nancy.matro@gmail.com> wrote:
Very smoky in Park City from the fire near Rockport.
Nancy
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 13, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Three hours ago the smoke plume was directly over the SL valley, now I see the sun and blue sky overhead. The plume has shifted to moving NNE and is now well north of us, covering Davis county.
Joe, you would probably have good skies in the areas south of Rush Valley, but it does mean an extra 30 minutes or so of driving.
I see now that the Rockport fire has enlarged. Several structures have been lost, some of them homes. With wind out of the south, areas north of there on the Wasatch back won't be any good tonight. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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I flew a reporter down by the Patch Springs Fire this afternoon and got this shot out the window: http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/temp/patchsprings20130814.jpg Driving home from the SLAS board meeting tonight I could see from the east side of the Tooele Valley that the fire has now crested the summit. The plume is right over Stansbury and the ground is covered with ash. The Moon is a dark orange color. Tried to get pictures but found my local horizons too low for my observatory. During the few minutes I had the roof slid back the interior of my observatory got a coating of ash. patrick On 14 Aug 2013, at 11:16, Joe Bauman wrote:
Patrick was right: last night's observing at Lakeside was grand. Thank you, Patrick! The smoke was blowing to the north and east, sparing Lakeside as it is west of Skull Valley. I found more haze in SLC this morning than at Lakeside last night. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Robert Taylor <ratskradmt@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Patch Springs fire (also Persieds)
Clear skies in Heber but ashes are falling. First time it has been clear in weeks and it's not really clear. Was in Minden NV and Sacramento CA the past four days and not a cloud to be seen the whole time.
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Nancy Matro <nancy.matro@gmail.com> wrote:
Very smoky in Park City from the fire near Rockport.
Nancy
Sent from my iPad
Amazing shot Patrick! That smoke cloud has covered the entire SL valley and made for an eerie sunset. Heading up north for the weekend hopefully it'll be a little clearer, it's giving me a headache. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com>wrote:
I flew a reporter down by the Patch Springs Fire this afternoon and got this shot out the window: http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/temp/patchsprings20130814.jpg
Driving home from the SLAS board meeting tonight I could see from the east side of the Tooele Valley that the fire has now crested the summit. The plume is right over Stansbury and the ground is covered with ash. The Moon is a dark orange color. Tried to get pictures but found my local horizons too low for my observatory. During the few minutes I had the roof slid back the interior of my observatory got a coating of ash.
patrick
On 14 Aug 2013, at 11:16, Joe Bauman wrote:
Patrick was right: last night's observing at Lakeside was grand. Thank you, Patrick! The smoke was blowing to the north and east, sparing Lakeside as it is west of Skull Valley. I found more haze in SLC this morning than at Lakeside last night. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Robert Taylor <ratskradmt@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Patch Springs fire (also Persieds)
Clear skies in Heber but ashes are falling. First time it has been clear in weeks and it's not really clear. Was in Minden NV and Sacramento CA the past four days and not a cloud to be seen the whole time.
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Nancy Matro <nancy.matro@gmail.com> wrote:
Very smoky in Park City from the fire near Rockport.
Nancy
Sent from my iPad
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Great shot, Patrick! After the board meeting we could see ash falling and saw some on the Jeep. And that reminds me: early this morning while I was at Lakeside I felt little taps on my skin from time to time, as if it were raining, but could see no rainclouds. Now I wonder if that was ash. I did realize the breeze had changed direction around that time. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:48 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Patch Springs fire aerial shot I flew a reporter down by the Patch Springs Fire this afternoon and got this shot out the window: http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/temp/patchsprings20130814.jpg Driving home from the SLAS board meeting tonight I could see from the east side of the Tooele Valley that the fire has now crested the summit. The plume is right over Stansbury and the ground is covered with ash. The Moon is a dark orange color. Tried to get pictures but found my local horizons too low for my observatory. During the few minutes I had the roof slid back the interior of my observatory got a coating of ash. patrick On 14 Aug 2013, at 11:16, Joe Bauman wrote:
Patrick was right: last night's observing at Lakeside was grand. Thank you, Patrick! The smoke was blowing to the north and east, sparing Lakeside as it is west of Skull Valley. I found more haze in SLC this morning than at Lakeside last night. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Robert Taylor <ratskradmt@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Patch Springs fire (also Persieds)
Clear skies in Heber but ashes are falling. First time it has been clear in weeks and it's not really clear. Was in Minden NV and Sacramento CA the past four days and not a cloud to be seen the whole time.
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Nancy Matro <nancy.matro@gmail.com> wrote:
Very smoky in Park City from the fire near Rockport.
Nancy
Sent from my iPad
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Early this morning, my driveway was covered in grey ash. Last night before sunset, the sun was blood-red and could be looked at without filtration briefly. Also after sunset the moon was deep red. I grabbed some video sequences and a few stills of both. If they look acceptable, I'll post them as time permits. BTW, I also shot the sun through a Baader filter when it brightened a bit and it was still deep red. The Baader material is truly a "white light" neutral density filter with no annoying tint. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com>wrote:
Great shot, Patrick! After the board meeting we could see ash falling and saw some on the Jeep. And that reminds me: early this morning while I was at Lakeside I felt little taps on my skin from time to time, as if it were raining, but could see no rainclouds. Now I wonder if that was ash. I did realize the breeze had changed direction around that time. -- Joe
Inside the MOA, but outside R6402. Were you talking to Clover? From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:48 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Patch Springs fire aerial shot I flew a reporter down by the Patch Springs Fire this afternoon and got this shot out the window: http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/temp/patchsprings20130814.jpg Driving home from the SLAS board meeting tonight I could see from the east side of the Tooele Valley that the fire has now crested the summit. The plume is right over Stansbury and the ground is covered with ash. The Moon is a dark orange color. Tried to get pictures but found my local horizons too low for my observatory. During the few minutes I had the roof slid back the interior of my observatory got a coating of ash. patrick On 14 Aug 2013, at 11:16, Joe Bauman wrote:
Patrick was right: last night's observing at Lakeside was grand. Thank you, Patrick! The smoke was blowing to the north and east, sparing Lakeside as it is west of Skull Valley. I found more haze in SLC this morning than at Lakeside last night. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Robert Taylor <ratskradmt@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Patch Springs fire (also Persieds)
Clear skies in Heber but ashes are falling. First time it has been clear in weeks and it's not really clear. Was in Minden NV and Sacramento CA the past four days and not a cloud to be seen the whole time.
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Nancy Matro <nancy.matro@gmail.com> wrote:
Very smoky in Park City from the fire near Rockport.
Nancy
Sent from my iPad
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Actually Joe, looking to the west past the smoke cloud it looks clear. If Lakeside is far enough west you could have a fine view of everywhere but east. Speaking of the smoke cloud, as I walked out of a local store here in Stansbury a few minutes ago I saw the normally black parking lot was grey. I thought "What the heck?". It took a moment to figure out the grey was from the falling ash. But thinking back on that what-the-heck moment, I can't help but wonder if that was the last thought the citizens of Herculaneum and Pompeii had as they walked outside to see why it was getting dark. patrick On 13 Aug 2013, at 17:04, Joe Bauman wrote:
Our Jeep was packed and I planned to try again for Lakeside because the air was relatively clear this morning. Some friends and I went to lunch and a movie in Bountiful and when we emerged, I realized I had no chance tonight. I'll have to unpack and wait till September. -- Joe
------------------------------ On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 3:51 PM MDT Patrick Wiggins wrote:
Funny you should ask, Chuck,
I was just out changing the water in the various bird baths I have around my place and happened to notice the Sun's reflection in one of them:
http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/temp/sun.jpg
As usual the image does not do the actual scene justice. But you can get an idea of how red the Sun's looking. The small white piece to the lower left of the Sun dropped into the water as I was about to take the picture. Turned out to be a piece of ash.
There's also an elongated dark colored mass to the Sun's lower right. Doesn't look like ash. Rather more like a specimen a bird left behind. :)
The Sun is so red that the ground all around has a reddish glow. The plume itself is obvious stretching from the source to the SW, through the zenith and on to the NE. But that's not all that's up there. There's some very impressive cloud building going on too.
BTW, IMO is showing that as of an hour ago the Perseid's still had a ZHR of 70 ±8.
patrick
On 13 Aug 2013, at 15:06, Chuck Hards wrote:
6300 acres and spreading, looks like it's reached the peak of the Stansbury mountains and may be moving down the other side toward Hickman.
The plume is now moving ENE and is bisecting the SL valley at high altitude. I can smell smoke, but it's not as strong as one would expect.
Patrick (or anyone else in or near Tooele or Grantsville), what's the situation over there? Looks pretty bleak from this side of the Oquirrhs. I'm wondering if this fire could actually make it to Grantsville...
No sun viewing for me this afternoon. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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The Lakeside site is only a few miles west of a line directly north of the fire. IMO, it would be a crapshoot. A direct south breeze would put an imager out of business. I think the last thought of the good people of Herculaneum and Pompeii was "Mama mia! Lookit Vesuvius! Don't THAT make your ears ring!" Then the boulder rain came, then the ash. When Emigration Canyon burned, some 25, 26 years ago, I was living in Sugar House. For days, the sky was blood red and ash fell like snow. There were millions of black "snowflakes" mixed in with the grey, and when examined closely turned out to be charred aspen and oak leaves. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com>wrote:
Actually Joe, looking to the west past the smoke cloud it looks clear. If Lakeside is far enough west you could have a fine view of everywhere but east.
Speaking of the smoke cloud, as I walked out of a local store here in Stansbury a few minutes ago I saw the normally black parking lot was grey. I thought "What the heck?". It took a moment to figure out the grey was from the falling ash.
But thinking back on that what-the-heck moment, I can't help but wonder if that was the last thought the citizens of Herculaneum and Pompeii had as they walked outside to see why it was getting dark.
When I left work today at 5:00 (Hill AFB) it looked like Antelope Island was totally out of the smoke. I suspect that Lakeside would be good too. ________________________________ From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Patch Springs fire (also Persieds) Our Jeep was packed and I planned to try again for Lakeside because the air was relatively clear this morning. Some friends and I went to lunch and a movie in Bountiful and when we emerged, I realized I had no chance tonight. I'll have to unpack and wait till September. -- Joe ------------------------------ On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 3:51 PM MDT Patrick Wiggins wrote:
Funny you should ask, Chuck,
I was just out changing the water in the various bird baths I have around my place and happened to notice the Sun's reflection in one of them:
http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/temp/sun.jpg
As usual the image does not do the actual scene justice. But you can get an idea of how red the Sun's looking. The small white piece to the lower left of the Sun dropped into the water as I was about to take the picture. Turned out to be a piece of ash.
There's also an elongated dark colored mass to the Sun's lower right. Doesn't look like ash. Rather more like a specimen a bird left behind. :)
The Sun is so red that the ground all around has a reddish glow. The plume itself is obvious stretching from the source to the SW, through the zenith and on to the NE. But that's not all that's up there. There's some very impressive cloud building going on too.
BTW, IMO is showing that as of an hour ago the Perseid's still had a ZHR of 70 ±8.
patrick
On 13 Aug 2013, at 15:06, Chuck Hards wrote:
6300 acres and spreading, looks like it's reached the peak of the Stansbury mountains and may be moving down the other side toward Hickman.
The plume is now moving ENE and is bisecting the SL valley at high altitude. I can smell smoke, but it's not as strong as one would expect.
Patrick (or anyone else in or near Tooele or Grantsville), what's the situation over there? Looks pretty bleak from this side of the Oquirrhs. I'm wondering if this fire could actually make it to Grantsville...
No sun viewing for me this afternoon. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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