I thoroughly enjoyed the second installment. Having made that statement, the question is: Is anybody still watching? besides the people on this board and some extended science groupies? Consider Fox's normal audience - ultra conservative, ultra religiious, ultra right wing, so far right as to blend in and make the wall scientists keep banging their heads on. Consider Tyson's 90 second diatribe about intelligent design 20 minutes into the episode. He didn't just slap it down, he took a clenched fist to it. That's 90 seconds that could have remained on the cutting room floor. They could have padded the episode with another commercial for Noah, or Supernatural. Maybe they did - in Oklahoma. Tyson 's "no holds barred" "stand up and be counted" posit ion for science is commenda ble, but he obviously hasn't read the book "How to Win Friends and Influence People." As for the tree of life, wonderful graphic, but, considering my upbringing, the tree of life was immediately connected to Lehi's dream. Perhaps a rereading of those verses in the Book of Mormon are necessary. Perhaps the accepted interpretation is wrong. Perhaps Tyson should have called it the Tree of Knowledge from which Adam and Eve partook and were cast out of the garden. Thank goodness I won't be seeing my 40-something relatives this week. You can imagine what they will say this time about evolution and natural selection. My imagination is boiling over with lighted torches, pitchforks, hot tar and feathers. 2 episodes down and 11 to go. Here's hoping (make that a feverant prayer) that WE all survive the airing of Cosmos 2G. (-- - i.e. large tongue in cheek
I'm sorry but this is about the fourth or fifth time this has come up, so I can't keep letting it pass. I hardly think that the normal Fox "broadcast" network is composed mainly of ultra conservative, ultra religious, etc., etc. You do realize this is the network of "The Simpsons", "Family Guy", etc.? You are obviously confusing this with the Fox News network - but even there you are still way off. Have you ever even watched Fox News? I haven't seen all of the second episode yet - but I agree that it is very enjoyable and very interesting. Clear skies, Dale. -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jcarman6@q.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 11:57 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Cosmos 2G I thoroughly enjoyed the second installment. Having made that statement, the question is: Is anybody still watching? besides the people on this board and some extended science groupies? Consider Fox's normal audience - ultra conservative, ultra religiious, ultra right wing, so far right as to blend in and make the wall scientists keep banging their heads on. Consider Tyson's 90 second diatribe about intelligent design 20 minutes into the episode. He didn't just slap it down, he took a clenched fist to it. That's 90 seconds that could have remained on the cutting room floor. They could have padded the episode with another commercial for Noah, or Supernatural. Maybe they did - in Oklahoma. Tyson 's "no holds barred" "stand up and be counted" posit ion for science is commenda ble, but he obviously hasn't read the book "How to Win Friends and Influence People." As for the tree of life, wonderful graphic, but, considering my upbringing, the tree of life was immediately connected to Lehi's dream. Perhaps a rereading of those verses in the Book of Mormon are necessary. Perhaps the accepted interpretation is wrong. Perhaps Tyson should have called it the Tree of Knowledge from which Adam and Eve partook and were cast out of the garden. Thank goodness I won't be seeing my 40-something relatives this week. You can imagine what they will say this time about evolution and natural selection. My imagination is boiling over with lighted torches, pitchforks, hot tar and feathers. 2 episodes down and 11 to go. Here's hoping (make that a feverant prayer) that WE all survive the airing of Cosmos 2G. (-- - i.e. large tongue in cheek _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Amen. BTW, in this context, that might be construed as a pun? 73 On 3/17/2014 12:11 PM, Dale Hooper wrote:
I'm sorry but this is about the fourth or fifth time this has come up, so I can't keep letting it pass. I hardly think that the normal Fox "broadcast" network is composed mainly of ultra conservative, ultra religious, etc., etc.
You do realize this is the network of "The Simpsons", "Family Guy", etc.?
You are obviously confusing this with the Fox News network - but even there you are still way off. Have you ever even watched Fox News?
I haven't seen all of the second episode yet - but I agree that it is very enjoyable and very interesting.
Clear skies, Dale.
Don't forget about Futurama which is so racy it has to play at 1:30 am Sunday morning. From the creators of the Simpsons but with better science writing than even the Big Bang Theory. Among the humor there are a lot of thought provoking science and math puzzles. I DVR the show and often have to pause the playback while I figure out what's going on. Top notch nerd and geek entertainment. DT
________________________________ From: Dale Hooper <Dale.Hooper@sdl.usu.edu> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cosmos 2G
I'm sorry but this is about the fourth or fifth time this has come up, so I can't keep letting it pass. I hardly think that the normal Fox "broadcast" network is composed mainly of ultra conservative, ultra religious, etc., etc.
You do realize this is the network of "The Simpsons", "Family Guy", etc.?
You are obviously confusing this with the Fox News network - but even there you are still way off. Have you ever even watched Fox News?
I haven't seen all of the second episode yet - but I agree that it is very enjoyable and very interesting.
Clear skies, Dale.
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jcarman6@q.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 11:57 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Cosmos 2G
I thoroughly enjoyed the second installment.
Having made that statement, the question is: Is anybody still watching? besides the people on this board and some extended science groupies?
Consider Fox's normal audience - ultra conservative, ultra religiious, ultra right wing, so far right as to blend in and make the wall scientists keep banging their heads on.
Consider Tyson's 90 second diatribe about intelligent design 20 minutes into the episode. He didn't just slap it down, he took a clenched fist to it. That's 90 seconds that could have remained on the cutting room floor. They could have padded the episode with another commercial for Noah, or Supernatural. Maybe they did - in Oklahoma.
Tyson 's "no holds barred" "stand up and be counted" posit ion for science is commenda ble, but he obviously hasn't read the book "How to Win Friends and Influence People."
As for the tree of life, wonderful graphic, but, considering my upbringing, the tree of life was immediately connected to Lehi's dream. Perhaps a rereading of those verses in the Book of Mormon are necessary. Perhaps the accepted interpretation is wrong. Perhaps Tyson should have called it the Tree of Knowledge from which Adam and Eve partook and were cast out of the garden.
Thank goodness I won't be seeing my 40-something relatives this week. You can imagine what they will say this time about evolution and natural selection. My imagination is boiling over with lighted torches, pitchforks, hot tar and feathers.
2 episodes down and 11 to go. Here's hoping (make that a feverant prayer) that WE all survive the airing of Cosmos 2G.
(-- - i.e. large tongue in cheek
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From what little I've seen of the national Fox "news" broadcasts, they are a bunch of ideologues pandering to the far right and repeatedly faking or distorting stories. In the same breath I must say the local Fox newscasts are professional and well done, from what little I've seen of them. (The reason I've seen little of the local Fox affiliate isn't that I dislike them especially, but that I don't care much for TV.) I know Ben Winslow from his days at the Deseret News. He is a star reporter on Ch. 13 and an extremely hard-working and professional journalist.
On Monday, March 17, 2014 1:39 PM, daniel turner <outwest112@yahoo.com> wrote: Don't forget about Futurama which is so racy it has to play at 1:30 am Sunday morning. From the creators of the Simpsons but with better science writing than even the Big Bang Theory. Among the humor there are a lot of thought provoking science and math puzzles. I DVR the show and often have to pause the playback while I figure out what's going on. Top notch nerd and geek entertainment. DT
________________________________ From: Dale Hooper <Dale.Hooper@sdl.usu.edu> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cosmos 2G
I'm sorry but this is about the fourth or fifth time this has come up, so I can't keep letting it pass. I hardly think that the normal Fox "broadcast" network is composed mainly of ultra conservative, ultra religious, etc., etc.
You do realize this is the network of "The Simpsons", "Family Guy", etc.?
You are obviously confusing this with the Fox News network - but even there you are still way off. Have you ever even watched Fox News?
I haven't seen all of the second episode yet - but I agree that it is very enjoyable and very interesting.
Clear skies, Dale.
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jcarman6@q.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 11:57 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Cosmos 2G
I thoroughly enjoyed the second installment.
Having made that statement, the question is: Is anybody still watching? besides the people on this board and some extended science groupies?
Consider Fox's normal audience - ultra conservative, ultra religiious, ultra right wing, so far right as to blend in and make the wall scientists keep banging their heads on.
Consider Tyson's 90 second diatribe about intelligent design 20 minutes into the episode. He didn't just slap it down, he took a clenched fist to it. That's 90 seconds that could have remained on the cutting room floor. They could have padded the episode with another commercial for Noah, or Supernatural. Maybe they did - in Oklahoma.
Tyson 's "no holds barred" "stand up and be counted" posit ion for science is commenda ble, but he obviously hasn't read the book "How to Win Friends and Influence People."
As for the tree of life, wonderful graphic, but, considering my upbringing, the tree of life was immediately connected to Lehi's dream. Perhaps a rereading of those verses in the Book of Mormon are necessary. Perhaps the accepted interpretation is wrong. Perhaps Tyson should have called it the Tree of Knowledge from which Adam and Eve partook and were cast out of the garden.
Thank goodness I won't be seeing my 40-something relatives this week. You can imagine what they will say this time about evolution and natural selection. My imagination is boiling over with lighted torches, pitchforks, hot tar and feathers.
2 episodes down and 11 to go. Here's hoping (make that a feverant prayer) that WE all survive the airing of Cosmos 2G.
(-- - i.e. large tongue in cheek
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It must be pretty good, it put my wife to sleep in less than 5 minutes. I enjoyed it a lot, some of the special effects went over the top in my opinion. Bill On Monday, March 17, 2014 2:19 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
From what little I've seen of the national Fox "news" broadcasts, they are a bunch of ideologues pandering to the far right and repeatedly faking or distorting stories. In the same breath I must say the local Fox newscasts are professional and well done, from what little I've seen of them. (The reason I've seen little of the local Fox affiliate isn't that I dislike them especially, but that I don't care much for TV.) I know Ben Winslow from his days at the Deseret News. He is a star reporter on Ch. 13 and an extremely hard-working and professional journalist.
On Monday, March 17, 2014 1:39 PM, daniel turner <outwest112@yahoo.com> wrote: Don't forget about Futurama which is so racy it has to play at 1:30 am Sunday morning. From the creators of the Simpsons but with better science writing than even the Big Bang Theory. Among the humor there are a lot of thought provoking science and math puzzles. I DVR the show and often have to pause the playback while I figure out what's going on. Top notch nerd and geek entertainment. DT
________________________________ From: Dale Hooper <Dale.Hooper@sdl.usu.edu> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cosmos 2G
I'm sorry but this is about the fourth or fifth time this has come up, so I can't keep letting it pass. I hardly think that the normal Fox "broadcast" network is composed mainly of ultra conservative, ultra religious, etc., etc.
You do realize this is the network of "The Simpsons", "Family Guy", etc.?
You are obviously confusing this with the Fox News network - but even there you are still way off. Have you ever even watched Fox News?
I haven't seen all of the second episode yet - but I agree that it is very enjoyable and very interesting.
Clear skies, Dale.
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jcarman6@q.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 11:57 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Cosmos 2G
I thoroughly enjoyed the second installment.
Having made that statement, the question is: Is anybody still watching? besides the people on this board and some extended science groupies?
Consider Fox's normal audience - ultra conservative, ultra religiious, ultra right wing, so far right as to blend in and make the wall scientists keep banging their heads on.
Consider Tyson's 90 second diatribe about intelligent design 20 minutes into the episode. He didn't just slap it down, he took a clenched fist to it. That's 90 seconds that could have remained on the cutting room floor. They could have padded the episode with another commercial for Noah, or Supernatural. Maybe they did - in Oklahoma.
Tyson 's "no holds barred" "stand up and be counted" posit ion for science is commenda ble, but he obviously hasn't read the book "How to Win Friends and Influence People."
As for the tree of life, wonderful graphic, but, considering my upbringing, the tree of life was immediately connected to Lehi's dream. Perhaps a rereading of those verses in the Book of Mormon are necessary. Perhaps the accepted interpretation is wrong. Perhaps Tyson should have called it the Tree of Knowledge from which Adam and Eve partook and were cast out of the garden.
Thank goodness I won't be seeing my 40-something relatives this week. You can imagine what they will say this time about evolution and natural selection. My imagination is boiling over with lighted torches, pitchforks, hot tar and feathers.
2 episodes down and 11 to go. Here's hoping (make that a feverant prayer) that WE all survive the airing of Cosmos 2G.
(-- - i.e. large tongue in cheek
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speaking of cable news: http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2014/03/11# Grins, patrick On 17 Mar 2014, at 13:59, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
From what little I've seen of the national Fox "news" broadcasts, they are a bunch of ideologues pandering to the far right and repeatedly faking or distorting stories. In the same breath I must say the local Fox newscasts are professional and well done, from what little I've seen of them. (The reason I've seen little of the local Fox affiliate isn't that I dislike them especially, but that I don't care much for TV.) I know Ben Winslow from his days at the Deseret News. He is a star reporter on Ch. 13 and an extremely hard-working and professional journalist.
On Monday, March 17, 2014 1:39 PM, daniel turner <outwest112@yahoo.com> wrote:
Don't forget about Futurama which is so racy it has to play at 1:30 am Sunday morning. From the creators of the Simpsons but with better science writing than even the Big Bang Theory. Among the humor there are a lot of thought provoking science and math puzzles. I DVR the show and often have to pause the playback while I figure out what's going on. Top notch nerd and geek entertainment.
DT
________________________________ From: Dale Hooper <Dale.Hooper@sdl.usu.edu> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cosmos 2G
I'm sorry but this is about the fourth or fifth time this has come up, so I can't keep letting it pass. I hardly think that the normal Fox "broadcast" network is composed mainly of ultra conservative, ultra religious, etc., etc.
You do realize this is the network of "The Simpsons", "Family Guy", etc.?
You are obviously confusing this with the Fox News network - but even there you are still way off. Have you ever even watched Fox News?
I haven't seen all of the second episode yet - but I agree that it is very enjoyable and very interesting.
Clear skies, Dale.
Right, in Utah it is KSL that panders to that group. They refuse to run a fair amount of NBC programming.
From what little I've seen of the national Fox "news" broadcasts, they
are a bunch of ideologues pandering to the far right and repeatedly faking or distorting stories. In the same breath I must say the local Fox newscasts are professional and well done, from what little I've seen of them. (The reason I've seen little of the local Fox affiliate isn't that I dislike them especially, but that I don't care much for TV.) I know Ben Winslow from his days at the Deseret News. He is a star reporter on Ch. 13 and an extremely hard-working and professional journalist.
On Monday, March 17, 2014 1:39 PM, daniel turner <outwest112@yahoo.com> wrote:
Don't forget about Futurama which is so racy it has to play at 1:30 am Sunday morning. From the creators of the Simpsons but with better science writing than even the Big Bang Theory. Among the humor there are a lot of thought provoking science and math puzzles. I DVR the show and often have to pause the playback while I figure out what's going on. Top notch nerd and geek entertainment.
DT
________________________________ From: Dale Hooper <Dale.Hooper@sdl.usu.edu> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cosmos 2G
I'm sorry but this is about the fourth or fifth time this has come up, so I can't keep letting it pass. I hardly think that the normal Fox "broadcast" network is composed mainly of ultra conservative, ultra religious, etc., etc.
You do realize this is the network of "The Simpsons", "Family Guy", etc.?
You are obviously confusing this with the Fox News network - but even there you are still way off. Have you ever even watched Fox News?
I haven't seen all of the second episode yet - but I agree that it is very enjoyable and very interesting.
Clear skies, Dale.
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jcarman6@q.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 11:57 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Cosmos 2G
I thoroughly enjoyed the second installment.
Having made that statement, the question is: Is anybody still watching? besides the people on this board and some extended science groupies?
Consider Fox's normal audience - ultra conservative, ultra religiious, ultra right wing, so far right as to blend in and make the wall scientists keep banging their heads on.
Consider Tyson's 90 second diatribe about intelligent design 20 minutes into the episode. He didn't just slap it down, he took a clenched fist to it. That's 90 seconds that could have remained on the cutting room floor. They could have padded the episode with another commercial for Noah, or Supernatural. Maybe they did - in Oklahoma.
Tyson 's "no holds barred" "stand up and be counted" posit ion for science is commenda ble, but he obviously hasn't read the book "How to Win Friends and Influence People."
As for the tree of life, wonderful graphic, but, considering my upbringing, the tree of life was immediately connected to Lehi's dream. Perhaps a rereading of those verses in the Book of Mormon are necessary. Perhaps the accepted interpretation is wrong. Perhaps Tyson should have called it the Tree of Knowledge from which Adam and Eve partook and were cast out of the garden.
Thank goodness I won't be seeing my 40-something relatives this week. You can imagine what they will say this time about evolution and natural selection. My imagination is boiling over with lighted torches, pitchforks, hot tar and feathers.
2 episodes down and 11 to go. Here's hoping (make that a feverant prayer) that WE all survive the airing of Cosmos 2G.
(-- - i.e. large tongue in cheek
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Joan, the Tree of Life was lifted from Sagan's original. If I'm not mistaken, they even used the very same tree.
I thought the second episode was very logically presented for the most part. The evolution of the eye seemed to me to be a bit far fetched, and a bit hasty. I was happy to see that there was no religion bashing that could have so easily been included in the script, although the metaphors seemed to be borrowed rather than original even if they came from the original series. The logic and pattern of thought for natural selection was well presented, and the difference between directed and natural selection well demonstrated. I remember seeing the original graphics of evolution in Jim Blynn's computer lab while the first series was being produced. Then as now it struck me as an interesting interpretation that did not represent the actual path of natural selection. I thought chapter two was much better than the first episode. On Monday, March 17, 2014 12:33 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote: Joan, the Tree of Life was lifted from Sagan's original. If I'm not mistaken, they even used the very same tree. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
It was the same tree! I love that continuity. And I'd like to second the motion about the clear audience difference between Fox broadcasting network vs. Fox News. For me and most of the country I think, Cosmos aired immediately after Family Guy, so think about that audience. I'm in my 20's, hosted a watch party, I can report plenty of young people watching it who aren't normally science minded, although not LDS either. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Joan, the Tree of Life was lifted from Sagan's original. If I'm not mistaken, they even used the very same tree. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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Personally I record the Nat Geo airing, which run 4 or 5 times the week after it airs on Fox.
It was the same tree! I love that continuity.
And I'd like to second the motion about the clear audience difference between Fox broadcasting network vs. Fox News. For me and most of the country I think, Cosmos aired immediately after Family Guy, so think about that audience. I'm in my 20's, hosted a watch party, I can report plenty of young people watching it who aren't normally science minded, although not LDS either.
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Joan, the Tree of Life was lifted from Sagan's original. If I'm not mistaken, they even used the very same tree. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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