*** WARNING: Possible H. Potter spoiler alert *** But, this is one of the areas where J.K. Rowling actually disappointed me a bit. If I remember correctly - when Harry was working on his star chart for his astronomy O.W.L. (in Order of the Phoenix) - he was observing Venus well after midnight! Of course, I guess it is a magical place. -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+dale.hooper=sdl.usu.edu@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+dale.hooper=sdl.usu.edu@mailman.xmission. com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:31 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Hooking the novice Chuck Hards wrote:
Science has little or nothing to do with Hogwarts...
Ah, but remember that astronomy is taught at Hogwarts and even has an astronomy tower. :-) _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Hey I noticed that too! LOL I was like um... that would be very very hard to do... ;) Dale Hooper wrote:
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But, this is one of the areas where J.K. Rowling actually disappointed me a bit. If I remember correctly - when Harry was working on his star chart for his astronomy O.W.L. (in Order of the Phoenix) - he was observing Venus well after midnight! Of course, I guess it is a magical place.
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+dale.hooper=sdl.usu.edu@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+dale.hooper=sdl.usu.edu@mailman.xmission. com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:31 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Hooking the novice
Chuck Hards wrote:
Science has little or nothing to do with Hogwarts...
Ah, but remember that astronomy is taught at Hogwarts and even has an astronomy tower.
:-)
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Maybe Hogwarts is in the extreme north. Venus can actually be visible at midnight if you are far enough north and close the summer solstice.
From the latitude of Edmonton, AB Venus will about 1 degree above the horizon, and above 4 degrees if you go above 60 degrees latitude in the year 2007. Incidentally, Venus is visible in the daytime when it's not too close to the sun.
Ken -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+killerken=killerken.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+killerken=killerken.com@mailman.xmission. com] On Behalf Of Cynthia Blue Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:36 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Hooking the novice Hey I noticed that too! LOL I was like um... that would be very very hard to do... ;) Dale Hooper wrote:
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But, this is one of the areas where J.K. Rowling actually disappointed me a bit. If I remember correctly - when Harry was working on his star
chart for his astronomy O.W.L. (in Order of the Phoenix) - he was observing Venus well after midnight! Of course, I guess it is a magical place.
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+dale.hooper=sdl.usu.edu@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+dale.hooper=sdl.usu.edu@mailman.xmission . com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:31 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Hooking the novice
Chuck Hards wrote:
Science has little or nothing to do with Hogwarts...
Ah, but remember that astronomy is taught at Hogwarts and even has an astronomy tower.
:-)
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--- Ken Warner <KillerKen@killerken.com> wrote:
Incidentally, Venus is visible in the daytime when it's not too close to the sun.
When a favorable alignment occurs in Utah, please post a note. I would like to give it a try. - Canopus56(Kurt) ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
The best times are nearest and after greatest eastern elongation. I've seen Venus in the daytime sky many, many, many times over the years. Once you pick it out, you'll wonder why you didn't notice it before. --- Canopus56 <canopus56@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- Ken Warner <KillerKen@killerken.com> wrote:
Incidentally, Venus is visible in the daytime when it's not too close to the sun.
When a favorable alignment occurs in Utah, please post a note. I would like to give it a try. - Canopus56(Kurt)
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At our clubs solar parties I will most often acquire Venus while everyone else is viewing the sun, and some visitors (probably vidiots), certainly not all, will look in the eyepiece and yell, "come look in THIS telescope, you can actually see the DARK SIDE of the sun". ;) Yup, good times are had by all, huh guys... Quoting Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com>:
The best times are nearest and after greatest eastern elongation. I've seen Venus in the daytime sky many, many, many times over the years. Once you pick it out, you'll wonder why you didn't notice it before.
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--- Ken Warner <KillerKen@killerken.com> wrote:
Incidentally, Venus is visible in the daytime when it's not too close to the sun.
When a favorable alignment occurs in Utah, please post a note. I would like to give it a try. - Canopus56(Kurt)
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That reminds me of the time a good friend asked me if people who live on the side of the world where's it's night also can see the solar eclipse ... Best wishes, Joe
At our clubs solar parties I will most often acquire Venus while everyone else is viewing the sun, and some visitors (probably vidiots), certainly not all, will look in the eyepiece and yell, "come look in THIS telescope, you can actually see the DARK SIDE of the sun". ;) Yup, good times are had by all, huh guys...
Quoting Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com>:
The best times are nearest and after greatest eastern elongation. I've seen Venus in the daytime sky many, many, many times over the years. Once you pick it out, you'll wonder why you didn't notice it before.
--- Canopus56 <canopus56@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- Ken Warner <KillerKen@killerken.com> wrote:
Incidentally, Venus is visible in the daytime when it's not too close to the sun.
When a favorable alignment occurs in Utah, please post a note. I would like to give it a try. - Canopus56(Kurt)
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Having just spent time over in Northern Scotland in July, I can tell you that it was a little disconcerting to think that it was probably about 7 PM, and discover it was already 10 PM. None of us wore a watch, and it was interesting to see exactly how dependent we were on the position of the sun, to tell us when to stop for the day. Most restaurants and pubs quit serving food at 10, so we ended up eating rather odd dinners. The sun would not set until 9 PM and dusk seemed to last for about 2 or 3 hours. I remember thinking that even at midnight, it did not seem really dark enough to see many stars. At 10:32 AM 8/18/2005 -0600, you wrote:
Maybe Hogwarts is in the extreme north. Venus can actually be visible at midnight if you are far enough north and close the summer solstice.
From the latitude of Edmonton, AB Venus will about 1 degree above the horizon, and above 4 degrees if you go above 60 degrees latitude in the year 2007. Incidentally, Venus is visible in the daytime when it's not too close to the sun.
Ken
Tell us more about the pubs... ;) Quoting Josephine Grahn <bsi@xmission.com>:
Having just spent time over in Northern Scotland in July, I can tell you that it was a little disconcerting to think that it was probably about 7 PM, and discover it was already 10 PM. None of us wore a watch, and it was interesting to see exactly how dependent we were on the position of the sun, to tell us when to stop for the day. Most restaurants and pubs quit serving food at 10, so we ended up eating rather odd dinners. The sun would not set until 9 PM and dusk seemed to last for about 2 or 3 hours. I remember thinking that even at midnight, it did not seem really dark enough to see many stars.
At 10:32 AM 8/18/2005 -0600, you wrote:
Maybe Hogwarts is in the extreme north. Venus can actually be visible at midnight if you are far enough north and close the summer solstice.
From the latitude of Edmonton, AB Venus will about 1 degree above the horizon, and above 4 degrees if you go above 60 degrees latitude in the year 2007. Incidentally, Venus is visible in the daytime when it's not too close to the sun.
Ken
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He was observing it on-line, via a remotely-accessed telescope... --- Dale Hooper <Dale.Hooper@sdl.usu.edu> wrote:
*** WARNING: Possible H. Potter spoiler alert ***
But, this is one of the areas where J.K. Rowling actually disappointed me a bit. If I remember correctly - when Harry was working on his star chart for his astronomy O.W.L. (in Order of the Phoenix) - he was observing Venus well after midnight! Of course, I guess it is a magical place.
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Speaking of the Novice.. I wanted to send a welcome email to Emalee, a friend of mine who just joined the list! =) I hope ya'll will be nice and give her a warm welcome. She's curious about getting a scope. I've advised a 6" Dobsonian, of course. =) But if anyone wants to input some advice, please do so. Thanks! Cynthia Chuck Hards wrote:
He was observing it on-line, via a remotely-accessed telescope...
--- Dale Hooper <Dale.Hooper@sdl.usu.edu> wrote:
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But, this is one of the areas where J.K. Rowling actually disappointed me a bit. If I remember correctly - when Harry was working on his star chart for his astronomy O.W.L. (in Order of the Phoenix) - he was observing Venus well after midnight! Of course, I guess it is a magical place.
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She's curious about getting a scope. I've advised a 6" Dobsonian, of course. =) But if anyone wants to input some advice, please do so.
Hi Emalee, Welcome to the list. It's hard for a beginner to go wrong with a Dob. If you'd like to try one out before you buy you could come to a star party or you could join the Salt Lake Astronomical Society and borrow one of the many Dobs they loan out at no charge. Patrick
Sound advice, but do "shop around" by trying out other people's scopes at a star-party first, as others have suggested. Optical and mechanical considerations aside, be sure you get a scope that you can handle physically, and won't be discouraged from transporting or setting-up due to size or complexities of assembly. The best telescope is the one that gets used most often. A friend of mine once purchased a 16" telescope, thinking only of the brighter views and increased resolution when compared to the 10" he had been using. After he got it, he quickly realized that it was physically just too much telescope for him to handle, and it was soon sold. Of course by then he'd sold the 10" as well, to help fund the 16", and ended up with nothing but a monetary loss of several hundred dollars. The lesson is to do the research first, and make some new friends in the process. --- Patrick Wiggins <paw@trilobyte.net> wrote:
It's hard for a beginner to go wrong with a Dob.
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Welcome Emalee, Here are some helpful tips while "shopping around" and "trying out" other peoples scopes at star parties. Feel free to walk up to a telescope that interests you and try picking it up to see if you can handle it. If it's sitting on a tripod, go ahead and kick the tripod to see how sturdy it is. Something else you can do, is while looking throught the eyepiece, reach out and slap the scope a few times and then start counting from zero to ten to see how long it takes for the stabilized image to return. If it's a good scope the image should clean up by the time you reach 2. If it doesn't, walk away. If it's a Dobson mount you are looking at, try reaching into the scope from the front end to make sure you can reach the mirror, you'll want to keep that part clean and shiny. If it's a big enough scope, see if you can't squeeze part way in if you have to to reach the mirror. Swing the scope around on it's axis to get the feel of how easy it points. Go ahead, pick the scope up off the saddle and place it back down and see if the stars don't stay sharp, bright and clear. Take out your flashlight and examine the whole thing from end to end. Step back and flood it with light. Not only should it work good in the dark, you want it to look good in the dark as well. By this time you will probably be very popular with all the people staring and pointing at you. Some may even ask you about your childhood and families background, remember to smile and wave back, this is a friendly group and we welcome you aboard... ;) Obviously I am kidding except for the 'friendly group' and 'welcome aboard' stuff. That part is true... ;) Quoting Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com>:
Sound advice, but do "shop around" by trying out other people's scopes at a star-party first, as others have suggested. Optical and mechanical considerations aside, be sure you get a scope that you can handle physically, and won't be discouraged from transporting or setting-up due to size or complexities of assembly. The best telescope is the one that gets used most often.
A friend of mine once purchased a 16" telescope, thinking only of the brighter views and increased resolution when compared to the 10" he had been using. After he got it, he quickly realized that it was physically just too much telescope for him to handle, and it was soon sold. Of course by then he'd sold the 10" as well, to help fund the 16", and ended up with nothing but a monetary loss of several hundred dollars. The lesson is to do the research first, and make some new friends in the process.
--- Patrick Wiggins <paw@trilobyte.net> wrote:
It's hard for a beginner to go wrong with a Dob.
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Dale Hooper wrote:
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But, this is one of the areas where J.K. Rowling actually disappointed me a bit. If I remember correctly - when Harry was working on his star chart for his astronomy O.W.L. (in Order of the Phoenix) - he was observing Venus well after midnight! Of course, I guess it is a magical place.
The December 2003 issue of Sky & Telescope addressed this issue complete with a picture showing "The Chosen One" (see book 6) using his telescope on the Hogwarts astronomy tower observing Venus. The text notes that the author got it right about seeing Venus from england but goofed when she put Orion in the June night time sky. Patrick
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