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I wonder how Patrick got such a reasonable price for the 1979 eclipse flight. From the air you can see the Moon's shadow approach. I realize that there are some interesting natural phenomena that can be observed on the ground during a solar total eclipse. But with plane flight you are always guaranteed to have no cloud cover problems. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: utah-astronomy-request@mailman.xmission.com To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thu, 21 May 2015 14:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 32 Send Utah-Astronomy mailing list submissions to utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to utah-astronomy-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at utah-astronomy-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Utah-Astronomy digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Possible August 2017 Solar Eclipse Flight (Siegfried Jachmann) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 11:41:57 -0600 From: Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> To: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com>, Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Possible August 2017 Solar Eclipse Flight Message-ID: <CAH4Gk7hUXEWWVTpwcjynBe7h==O4oEumckpxyQAjdbySPTHhRw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Mobility is the key. We're looking at the path from Idaho through Wyoming and into Nebraska. We're going to start making choices a couple of days ahead of the eclipse. Idaho, north of Idaho Falls, is our first choice. If it's obvious that it will be cloudy there then Wyoming and Nebraska are fall back positions. That's why they call it eclipse chasing. On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Joe Bauman via Utah-Astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I was aboard the 1979 flight from SLC, if that's the one you're talking about -- Patrick arranged it. It was the very best we could have had for that event and I'm grateful for that. But having witnessed four from the ground, I have to say the eclipse flight doesn't cut it compared with the others. A good argument for the '79 flight is that the eclipse was relatively far away and we wouldn't have been able to drive there easily. This time it's within easy striking distance of Salt Lake City, for those of us hoping to visit Idaho at the time. We're gambling on Idaho. But if we gamble wrong and it's overcast, everyone in airplanes will have made the right decision. Somewhere on the Internet there must be charts showing expected cloud cover through the eclipse route. -- Joe
From: "baxman2@q.com" <baxman2@q.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:57 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Possible August 2017 Solar Eclipse Flight
I would like to organize a rented jet flight for the August 21, 2017 Solar Eclipse. In August there is a good chance that the skies will not be overcast in Wyoming that the center of the eclipse will travel through. But if by some chance the eclipse window becomes overcast, an eclipse flight would overcome the problem, by flying above the clouds. I was on an eclipse flight in 1979. The skies over the Pacific Northwest was completely overcast at the time. From the air, above the clouds, we had the unique privilege of watching the Moon's shadow approach our flight path. I think we had about 50 people onboard, and each ticket cost about $250 at that time. When I looked for a possible jet rental for the eclipse, I was quoted about $1500 per seat for 50 passengers. It would be nice if we could find a connection, maybe via a Boeing sponsorship, to make the flight possible at no more than $300 per ticket. Any comments on this possibility?
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Finder scope for use with a telescope whose sun filter makes it difficult to find the sun?
From: Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Today's Astro Trivia Question
On 5/19/2015 6:03 AM, Chuck Hards wrote:
Who can identify this item, and what it was used for?? Rich is disqualified because we've already discussed it privately.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/JethroTull1958/ATM/Observer20001_zps...
Good luck!
? ? I believe it was an early prototype by a noted ATMer.? Possibly used by Jethro Tull to check out the ladies in the 3rd floor balcony.? 73
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And we have a winner!
This little telescope was sold for Operation Moonwatch, in which amateur astronomers worldwide were enlisted to help track artificial satellites and better determine their orbits. It was a direct result of Cold-War tensions at the time.
Many different commercial variations of the little telescopes were sold, and plans were published for home-made versions, as well. Oriented north-south and with a scale to read-off altitude, teams would time when an artifical satellite would cross the meridian, and note it's elevation. The data was then given to the government who would refine the orbits of the Soviet and American satellites.
Read more about the program:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch
I've wanted one of these little things for years and finally found one on eBay recently. My example is in very good, practically new condition, and is one of the smallest units marketed. Examples ranged from 30mm aperture up to nearly 5 inches. This one has a compass (still works amazingly well) as well as altitude and azimuth scales. All of the Moonwatch scopes used a mirror for a right-angle configuration, so operators could sit-down while using them. Some placed the mirror ahead of the objective and resembled a table-top microscope. Most commercial units, imported from Japanese companies, looked like my example.
Pretty neat little piece of history.
On 5/19/15, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l@gmail.com> wrote:
Scope used to track Sputnik?
Steve P
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If an amateur was "enlisted", does this mean such a scope was given to them by the federal government, or enlisted as in "buy this little scope and help us defeat the Russkys!"? ?If the latter, how much did it cost for an interested party to help out? I'm also curious about the quality of the optics/workmanship (hard to tell from the photo). Regardless, thanks for sharing this bit of historical trivia Chuck! /R. From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 24
And we have a winner!
This little telescope was sold for Operation Moonwatch, in which amateur astronomers worldwide were enlisted to help track artificial satellites and better determine their orbits.? It was a direct result of Cold-War tensions at the time.
Many different commercial variations of the little telescopes were sold, and plans were published for home-made versions, as well. Oriented north-south and with a scale to read-off altitude, teams would time when an artifical satellite would cross the meridian, and note it's elevation.? The data was then given to the government who would refine the orbits of the Soviet and American satellites.
Read more about the program:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch
I've wanted one of these little things for years and finally found one on eBay recently.? My example is in very good, practically new condition, and is one of the smallest units marketed.? Examples ranged from 30mm aperture up to nearly 5 inches.? This one has a compass (still works amazingly well) as well as altitude and azimuth scales. All of the Moonwatch scopes used a mirror for a right-angle configuration, so operators could sit-down while using them.? Some placed the mirror ahead of the objective and resembled a table-top microscope.? Most commercial units, imported from Japanese companies, looked like my example.
Pretty neat little piece of history.
On 5/19/15, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l@gmail.com> wrote:
Scope used to track Sputnik?
Steve P
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Are you going to charge more for window seats? Didn't the 1979 charter land at the air port for observing? iE it was a platform to get there not observe from. Sent from my iPad
On May 21, 2015, at 12:36 PM, baxman2@q.com wrote:
I wonder how Patrick got such a reasonable price for the 1979 eclipse flight. From the air you can see the Moon's shadow approach. I realize that there are some interesting natural phenomena that can be observed on the ground during a solar total eclipse. But with plane flight you are always guaranteed to have no cloud cover problems.
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Mobility is the key. We're looking at the path from Idaho through Wyoming and into Nebraska. We're going to start making choices a couple of days ahead of the eclipse. Idaho, north of Idaho Falls, is our first choice. If it's obvious that it will be cloudy there then Wyoming and Nebraska are fall back positions. That's why they call it eclipse chasing.
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Joe Bauman via Utah-Astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I was aboard the 1979 flight from SLC, if that's the one you're talking about -- Patrick arranged it. It was the very best we could have had for that event and I'm grateful for that. But having witnessed four from the ground, I have to say the eclipse flight doesn't cut it compared with the others. A good argument for the '79 flight is that the eclipse was relatively far away and we wouldn't have been able to drive there easily. This time it's within easy striking distance of Salt Lake City, for those of us hoping to visit Idaho at the time. We're gambling on Idaho. But if we gamble wrong and it's overcast, everyone in airplanes will have made the right decision. Somewhere on the Internet there must be charts showing expected cloud cover through the eclipse route. -- Joe
From: "baxman2@q.com" <baxman2@q.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:57 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Possible August 2017 Solar Eclipse Flight
I would like to organize a rented jet flight for the August 21, 2017 Solar Eclipse. In August there is a good chance that the skies will not be overcast in Wyoming that the center of the eclipse will travel through. But if by some chance the eclipse window becomes overcast, an eclipse flight would overcome the problem, by flying above the clouds. I was on an eclipse flight in 1979. The skies over the Pacific Northwest was completely overcast at the time. From the air, above the clouds, we had the unique privilege of watching the Moon's shadow approach our flight path. I think we had about 50 people onboard, and each ticket cost about $250 at that time. When I looked for a possible jet rental for the eclipse, I was quoted about $1500 per seat for 50 passengers. It would be nice if we could find a connection, maybe via a Boeing sponsorship, to make the flight possible at no more than $300 per ticket. Any comments on this possibility?
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Finder scope for use with a telescope whose sun filter makes it difficult to find the sun?
From: Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Today's Astro Trivia Question
On 5/19/2015 6:03 AM, Chuck Hards wrote: Who can identify this item, and what it was used for?? Rich is disqualified because we've already discussed it privately. http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/JethroTull1958/ATM/Observer20001_zps...
Good luck! ? ? I believe it was an early prototype by a noted ATMer.? Possibly used by Jethro Tull to check out the ladies in the 3rd floor balcony.? 73
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And we have a winner!
This little telescope was sold for Operation Moonwatch, in which amateur astronomers worldwide were enlisted to help track artificial satellites and better determine their orbits. It was a direct result of Cold-War tensions at the time.
Many different commercial variations of the little telescopes were sold, and plans were published for home-made versions, as well. Oriented north-south and with a scale to read-off altitude, teams would time when an artifical satellite would cross the meridian, and note it's elevation. The data was then given to the government who would refine the orbits of the Soviet and American satellites.
Read more about the program:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch
I've wanted one of these little things for years and finally found one on eBay recently. My example is in very good, practically new condition, and is one of the smallest units marketed. Examples ranged from 30mm aperture up to nearly 5 inches. This one has a compass (still works amazingly well) as well as altitude and azimuth scales. All of the Moonwatch scopes used a mirror for a right-angle configuration, so operators could sit-down while using them. Some placed the mirror ahead of the objective and resembled a table-top microscope. Most commercial units, imported from Japanese companies, looked like my example.
Pretty neat little piece of history.
On 5/19/15, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l@gmail.com> wrote: Scope used to track Sputnik?
Steve P
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If an amateur was "enlisted", does this mean such a scope was given to them by the federal government, or enlisted as in "buy this little scope and help us defeat the Russkys!"? ?If the latter, how much did it cost for an interested party to help out? I'm also curious about the quality of the optics/workmanship (hard to tell from the photo). Regardless, thanks for sharing this bit of historical trivia Chuck! /R. From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 24
And we have a winner!
This little telescope was sold for Operation Moonwatch, in which amateur astronomers worldwide were enlisted to help track artificial satellites and better determine their orbits.? It was a direct result of Cold-War tensions at the time.
Many different commercial variations of the little telescopes were sold, and plans were published for home-made versions, as well. Oriented north-south and with a scale to read-off altitude, teams would time when an artifical satellite would cross the meridian, and note it's elevation.? The data was then given to the government who would refine the orbits of the Soviet and American satellites.
Read more about the program:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch
I've wanted one of these little things for years and finally found one on eBay recently.? My example is in very good, practically new condition, and is one of the smallest units marketed.? Examples ranged from 30mm aperture up to nearly 5 inches.? This one has a compass (still works amazingly well) as well as altitude and azimuth scales. All of the Moonwatch scopes used a mirror for a right-angle configuration, so operators could sit-down while using them.? Some placed the mirror ahead of the objective and resembled a table-top microscope.? Most commercial units, imported from Japanese companies, looked like my example.
Pretty neat little piece of history.
On 5/19/15, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l@gmail.com> wrote: Scope used to track Sputnik?
Steve P
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The '79 flight didn't land for observing. We all could see out the windows. It turned so that those on the left side could see it directly, then so those on the right could. The big deficiency was that, of course, the windows couldn't be perfectly clear. Sent from my iPhone
On May 23, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Erik Hansen <zaurak@digis.net> wrote:
Are you going to charge more for window seats? Didn't the 1979 charter land at the air port for observing? iE it was a platform to get there not observe from.
Sent from my iPad
On May 21, 2015, at 12:36 PM, baxman2@q.com wrote:
I wonder how Patrick got such a reasonable price for the 1979 eclipse flight. From the air you can see the Moon's shadow approach. I realize that there are some interesting natural phenomena that can be observed on the ground during a solar total eclipse. But with plane flight you are always guaranteed to have no cloud cover problems.
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Mobility is the key. We're looking at the path from Idaho through Wyoming and into Nebraska. We're going to start making choices a couple of days ahead of the eclipse. Idaho, north of Idaho Falls, is our first choice. If it's obvious that it will be cloudy there then Wyoming and Nebraska are fall back positions. That's why they call it eclipse chasing.
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Joe Bauman via Utah-Astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I was aboard the 1979 flight from SLC, if that's the one you're talking about -- Patrick arranged it. It was the very best we could have had for that event and I'm grateful for that. But having witnessed four from the ground, I have to say the eclipse flight doesn't cut it compared with the others. A good argument for the '79 flight is that the eclipse was relatively far away and we wouldn't have been able to drive there easily. This time it's within easy striking distance of Salt Lake City, for those of us hoping to visit Idaho at the time. We're gambling on Idaho. But if we gamble wrong and it's overcast, everyone in airplanes will have made the right decision. Somewhere on the Internet there must be charts showing expected cloud cover through the eclipse route. -- Joe
From: "baxman2@q.com" <baxman2@q.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:57 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Possible August 2017 Solar Eclipse Flight
I would like to organize a rented jet flight for the August 21, 2017 Solar Eclipse. In August there is a good chance that the skies will not be overcast in Wyoming that the center of the eclipse will travel through. But if by some chance the eclipse window becomes overcast, an eclipse flight would overcome the problem, by flying above the clouds. I was on an eclipse flight in 1979. The skies over the Pacific Northwest was completely overcast at the time. From the air, above the clouds, we had the unique privilege of watching the Moon's shadow approach our flight path. I think we had about 50 people onboard, and each ticket cost about $250 at that time. When I looked for a possible jet rental for the eclipse, I was quoted about $1500 per seat for 50 passengers. It would be nice if we could find a connection, maybe via a Boeing sponsorship, to make the flight possible at no more than $300 per ticket. Any comments on this possibility?
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Finder scope for use with a telescope whose sun filter makes it difficult to find the sun?
From: Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Today's Astro Trivia Question
On 5/19/2015 6:03 AM, Chuck Hards wrote: Who can identify this item, and what it was used for?? Rich is disqualified because we've already discussed it privately. http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/JethroTull1958/ATM/Observer20001_zps...
Good luck! ? ? I believe it was an early prototype by a noted ATMer.? Possibly used by Jethro Tull to check out the ladies in the 3rd floor balcony.? 73
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And we have a winner!
This little telescope was sold for Operation Moonwatch, in which amateur astronomers worldwide were enlisted to help track artificial satellites and better determine their orbits. It was a direct result of Cold-War tensions at the time.
Many different commercial variations of the little telescopes were sold, and plans were published for home-made versions, as well. Oriented north-south and with a scale to read-off altitude, teams would time when an artifical satellite would cross the meridian, and note it's elevation. The data was then given to the government who would refine the orbits of the Soviet and American satellites.
Read more about the program:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch
I've wanted one of these little things for years and finally found one on eBay recently. My example is in very good, practically new condition, and is one of the smallest units marketed. Examples ranged from 30mm aperture up to nearly 5 inches. This one has a compass (still works amazingly well) as well as altitude and azimuth scales. All of the Moonwatch scopes used a mirror for a right-angle configuration, so operators could sit-down while using them. Some placed the mirror ahead of the objective and resembled a table-top microscope. Most commercial units, imported from Japanese companies, looked like my example.
Pretty neat little piece of history.
On 5/19/15, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l@gmail.com> wrote: Scope used to track Sputnik?
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If an amateur was "enlisted", does this mean such a scope was given to them by the federal government, or enlisted as in "buy this little scope and help us defeat the Russkys!"? ?If the latter, how much did it cost for an interested party to help out? I'm also curious about the quality of the optics/workmanship (hard to tell from the photo). Regardless, thanks for sharing this bit of historical trivia Chuck! /R. From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 24
And we have a winner!
This little telescope was sold for Operation Moonwatch, in which amateur astronomers worldwide were enlisted to help track artificial satellites and better determine their orbits.? It was a direct result of Cold-War tensions at the time.
Many different commercial variations of the little telescopes were sold, and plans were published for home-made versions, as well. Oriented north-south and with a scale to read-off altitude, teams would time when an artifical satellite would cross the meridian, and note it's elevation.? The data was then given to the government who would refine the orbits of the Soviet and American satellites.
Read more about the program:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch
I've wanted one of these little things for years and finally found one on eBay recently.? My example is in very good, practically new condition, and is one of the smallest units marketed.? Examples ranged from 30mm aperture up to nearly 5 inches.? This one has a compass (still works amazingly well) as well as altitude and azimuth scales. All of the Moonwatch scopes used a mirror for a right-angle configuration, so operators could sit-down while using them.? Some placed the mirror ahead of the objective and resembled a table-top microscope.? Most commercial units, imported from Japanese companies, looked like my example.
Pretty neat little piece of history.
On 5/19/15, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l@gmail.com> wrote: Scope used to track Sputnik?
Steve P
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My $.02 -- IMHO a full solar eclipse is not just a visual treat, it is a physical experience. Standing on the ground waiting for it to happen, you feel the changes in temperature as more of the sun is obscured. You sense/see the dimming of the amount of sunlight reaching the earth around you. The ever present subnoise of buzzing insects and birds twittering stops as totality approaches. Some might say an unearthly silence. Then a surreal twilight surrounds you and stars are visible (if you can in fact take your eyes off the spectacle over head). You can't experience that in an airplane cabin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Bauman via Utah-Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 10:34:12 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Fwd: Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 32 The '79 flight didn't land for observing. We all could see out the windows. It turned so that those on the left side could see it directly, then so those on the right could. The big deficiency was that, of course, the windows couldn't be perfectly clear. Sent from my iPhone
On May 23, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Erik Hansen <zaurak@digis.net> wrote:
Are you going to charge more for window seats? Didn't the 1979 charter land at the air port for observing? iE it was a platform to get there not observe from.
Sent from my iPad
On May 21, 2015, at 12:36 PM, baxman2@q.com wrote:
I wonder how Patrick got such a reasonable price for the 1979 eclipse flight. From the air you can see the Moon's shadow approach. I realize that there are some interesting natural phenomena that can be observed on the ground during a solar total eclipse. But with plane flight you are always guaranteed to have no cloud cover problems.
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Mobility is the key. We're looking at the path from Idaho through Wyoming and into Nebraska. We're going to start making choices a couple of days ahead of the eclipse. Idaho, north of Idaho Falls, is our first choice. If it's obvious that it will be cloudy there then Wyoming and Nebraska are fall back positions. That's why they call it eclipse chasing.
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Joe Bauman via Utah-Astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I was aboard the 1979 flight from SLC, if that's the one you're talking about -- Patrick arranged it. It was the very best we could have had for that event and I'm grateful for that. But having witnessed four from the ground, I have to say the eclipse flight doesn't cut it compared with the others. A good argument for the '79 flight is that the eclipse was relatively far away and we wouldn't have been able to drive there easily. This time it's within easy striking distance of Salt Lake City, for those of us hoping to visit Idaho at the time. We're gambling on Idaho. But if we gamble wrong and it's overcast, everyone in airplanes will have made the right decision. Somewhere on the Internet there must be charts showing expected cloud cover through the eclipse route. -- Joe
From: "baxman2@q.com" <baxman2@q.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:57 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Possible August 2017 Solar Eclipse Flight
I would like to organize a rented jet flight for the August 21, 2017 Solar Eclipse. In August there is a good chance that the skies will not be overcast in Wyoming that the center of the eclipse will travel through. But if by some chance the eclipse window becomes overcast, an eclipse flight would overcome the problem, by flying above the clouds. I was on an eclipse flight in 1979. The skies over the Pacific Northwest was completely overcast at the time. From the air, above the clouds, we had the unique privilege of watching the Moon's shadow approach our flight path. I think we had about 50 people onboard, and each ticket cost about $250 at that time. When I looked for a possible jet rental for the eclipse, I was quoted about $1500 per seat for 50 passengers. It would be nice if we could find a connection, maybe via a Boeing sponsorship, to make the flight possible at no more than $300 per ticket. Any comments on this possibility?
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Finder scope for use with a telescope whose sun filter makes it difficult to find the sun?
From: Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Today's Astro Trivia Question
On 5/19/2015 6:03 AM, Chuck Hards wrote: Who can identify this item, and what it was used for?? Rich is disqualified because we've already discussed it privately. http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii24/JethroTull1958/ATM/Observer20001_zps...
Good luck! ? ? I believe it was an early prototype by a noted ATMer.? Possibly used by Jethro Tull to check out the ladies in the 3rd floor balcony.? 73
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And we have a winner!
This little telescope was sold for Operation Moonwatch, in which amateur astronomers worldwide were enlisted to help track artificial satellites and better determine their orbits. It was a direct result of Cold-War tensions at the time.
Many different commercial variations of the little telescopes were sold, and plans were published for home-made versions, as well. Oriented north-south and with a scale to read-off altitude, teams would time when an artifical satellite would cross the meridian, and note it's elevation. The data was then given to the government who would refine the orbits of the Soviet and American satellites.
Read more about the program:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch
I've wanted one of these little things for years and finally found one on eBay recently. My example is in very good, practically new condition, and is one of the smallest units marketed. Examples ranged from 30mm aperture up to nearly 5 inches. This one has a compass (still works amazingly well) as well as altitude and azimuth scales. All of the Moonwatch scopes used a mirror for a right-angle configuration, so operators could sit-down while using them. Some placed the mirror ahead of the objective and resembled a table-top microscope. Most commercial units, imported from Japanese companies, looked like my example.
Pretty neat little piece of history.
On 5/19/15, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l@gmail.com> wrote: Scope used to track Sputnik?
Steve P
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If an amateur was "enlisted", does this mean such a scope was given to them by the federal government, or enlisted as in "buy this little scope and help us defeat the Russkys!"? ?If the latter, how much did it cost for an interested party to help out? I'm also curious about the quality of the optics/workmanship (hard to tell from the photo). Regardless, thanks for sharing this bit of historical trivia Chuck! /R. From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 147, Issue 24
And we have a winner!
This little telescope was sold for Operation Moonwatch, in which amateur astronomers worldwide were enlisted to help track artificial satellites and better determine their orbits.? It was a direct result of Cold-War tensions at the time.
Many different commercial variations of the little telescopes were sold, and plans were published for home-made versions, as well. Oriented north-south and with a scale to read-off altitude, teams would time when an artifical satellite would cross the meridian, and note it's elevation.? The data was then given to the government who would refine the orbits of the Soviet and American satellites.
Read more about the program:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch
I've wanted one of these little things for years and finally found one on eBay recently.? My example is in very good, practically new condition, and is one of the smallest units marketed.? Examples ranged from 30mm aperture up to nearly 5 inches.? This one has a compass (still works amazingly well) as well as altitude and azimuth scales. All of the Moonwatch scopes used a mirror for a right-angle configuration, so operators could sit-down while using them.? Some placed the mirror ahead of the objective and resembled a table-top microscope.? Most commercial units, imported from Japanese companies, looked like my example.
Pretty neat little piece of history.
On 5/19/15, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l@gmail.com> wrote: Scope used to track Sputnik?
Steve P
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