Re: [Utah-astronomy] Computer virus question
Macs are far from being virus free, and with Ipads taking over the laptop market, my prediction is that it is only a matter of time before it becomes marginally profitable for malicious crackers to switch their focus to the Snow Leopard OS. Furthermore, in modern cracking strategies, it is the web browser and Java apps that are the focus attacks and not the operating system flavor. So saying ``I use a Mac'' with ``Firefox'' or ''Chrome'' is not much of a protection distinction. For email reading, my main anti-virus technique is not to initially read your email offline. Use your webbrowser and your ISP's web email facility to read and preview your emails. Like your hard drive email program, most ISP web browser email readers also have spam and maleware filters. Just make sure that they are turned on. If you see an email that ISPs virus and spam filters did not catch, just delete it before it gets to your hard drive. When reading your email through your ISP's web email application, run your browser in ``sandbox'' mode if possible - meaning no web application gets to write anything on your hard drive. Once you have previewed and deleted all unwanted for suspicious emails, then use your traditional POP3 email connection to download your emails to your local harddrive email application. In Internet Explorer 8 and above, protected mode is enabled through the Windows Defender and turning on ``Real Time Security Protection.'' That will let you enable the option in MS IE to launch in protected mode. You can also enable it directly under MS IE - Internet Options - Security. There is a radio button labeled ``Enable Protected Mode''. In Firefox under Windows, protected mode appears not to supported. Under Firefox Options | Security, set permissions to require the browser to notify you if any application (an add-on) trys to install on your local drive. Protected mode has its problems and is a hassle to use. Most modern websites are dependent on dropping cookies and information on your harddrive, so many site may not display. Toggling protected mode on and off is not dynamic, as discussed below. Another option that has less security is to use ``Private mode'' in either MS IE or Firefox. That shields your email id and history as your read your emails over an internet email app. Check your settings to make sure that you asked for permission before any application or add-on is installed. The advantage of private mode is that it can be dynamically toggled on and off in MS IS and Firefox with a simple menu button. Why there is not a simple button in both labeled ``sandbox'' is beyond me. As a general anti-virus technique, get in the habit of always clearing your browser's history and cookies. I do mine at least one every other day. Cookies are how Yahoo and Google and other commercial providers track you. It is also how id thieves can profile the types of sites that you visit, e.g. - did you check your bank account online in the last week. By grabbing your cookies, a malicious profiler can associate your email account name with with your bank's name. I clear my cookies after every commercial internet transaction, e.g. - buying something, checking an account balance, etc. Under the menu bars for both Firefox and MS IE, there is an option to ``Clear History'' and ``Clear Everything.'' Clear everything - always. As a general anti-virus technique, if I am surfing sites that I ordinarily trust, e.g. NASA, Google, Yahoo, the UofU, etc., I do not worry about security. But, if I am going to do some general research that involves visiting many types of web sites, including individual generated webpages, I launch MS IE and throw it into Protected Mode or atleast Private Mode. In MS IE, it's a hassle to toggle Protect Mode off and on. You have to turn protected mode on, restart ME IE. When you done, then your have to go through the same thing again. It is time consuming, but makes it easier for me to sleep at night. Hope that helps. Clear Skies - Kurt
I use web based email from Yahoo and Google so I'm never in a application like Outlook (aka outhouse). I don't keep a list of contacts on either yahoo or gmail, I keep a separate text file from which I copy and paste an address into the "to:" line when I'm writing. That way my list doesn't exist anywhere someone can find it and do damage with it. Yahoo and Google are pretty good and flagging spam and sending it to the spam bucket. Some times a post from this list lands in the spam bucket so I keep it empty and I can find them when the counter says there is something new in there. I don't know why "traditional" email still exists anymore. Web mail is free and very secure. DT
Well, some of the new operating systems for Mac's are windows based. I am hesitant to buy a new Mac with the newer operating systems my opinion is that Mac made a mistake with their newer software making it easier to hack. I run an older version and mine still seems pretty virus free. I do follow basic safe practices and do not open e-mails I do not recognize. Mac is also very easy to delete junk your hard drive seems to collect while on-line, PC's seem to retain a lot of on-line content even when you clear your history and cookies. Mac has a reset Safari that cleans the hard drive very well.
Gates designed Windows to be spied on and hacked. Macs are far from being virus free, and with Ipads taking over the laptop
market, my prediction is that it is only a matter of time before it becomes marginally profitable for malicious crackers to switch their focus to the Snow Leopard OS. Furthermore, in modern cracking strategies, it is the web browser and Java apps that are the focus attacks and not the operating system flavor. So saying ``I use a Mac'' with ``Firefox'' or ''Chrome'' is not much of a protection distinction.
For email reading, my main anti-virus technique is not to initially read your email offline. Use your webbrowser and your ISP's web email facility to read and preview your emails. Like your hard drive email program, most ISP web browser email readers also have spam and maleware filters. Just make sure that they are turned on. If you see an email that ISPs virus and spam filters did not catch, just delete it before it gets to your hard drive.
When reading your email through your ISP's web email application, run your browser in ``sandbox'' mode if possible - meaning no web application gets to write anything on your hard drive. Once you have previewed and deleted all unwanted for suspicious emails, then use your traditional POP3 email connection to download your emails to your local harddrive email application.
In Internet Explorer 8 and above, protected mode is enabled through the Windows Defender and turning on ``Real Time Security Protection.'' That will let you enable the option in MS IE to launch in protected mode. You can also enable it directly under MS IE - Internet Options - Security. There is a radio button labeled ``Enable Protected Mode''.
In Firefox under Windows, protected mode appears not to supported. Under Firefox Options | Security, set permissions to require the browser to notify you if any application (an add-on) trys to install on your local drive.
Protected mode has its problems and is a hassle to use. Most modern websites are dependent on dropping cookies and information on your harddrive, so many site may not display. Toggling protected mode on and off is not dynamic, as discussed below.
Another option that has less security is to use ``Private mode'' in either MS IE or Firefox. That shields your email id and history as your read your emails over an internet email app. Check your settings to make sure that you asked for permission before any application or add-on is installed.
The advantage of private mode is that it can be dynamically toggled on and off in MS IS and Firefox with a simple menu button. Why there is not a simple button in both labeled ``sandbox'' is beyond me.
As a general anti-virus technique, get in the habit of always clearing your browser's history and cookies. I do mine at least one every other day. Cookies are how Yahoo and Google and other commercial providers track you. It is also how id thieves can profile the types of sites that you visit, e.g. - did you check your bank account online in the last week. By grabbing your cookies, a malicious profiler can associate your email account name with with your bank's name. I clear my cookies after every commercial internet transaction, e.g. - buying something, checking an account balance, etc. Under the menu bars for both Firefox and MS IE, there is an option to ``Clear History'' and ``Clear Everything.'' Clear everything - always.
As a general anti-virus technique, if I am surfing sites that I ordinarily trust, e.g. NASA, Google, Yahoo, the UofU, etc., I do not worry about security. But, if I am going to do some general research that involves visiting many types of web sites, including individual generated webpages, I launch MS IE and throw it into Protected Mode or atleast Private Mode. In MS IE, it's a hassle to toggle Protect Mode off and on. You have to turn protected mode on, restart ME IE. When you done, then your have to go through the same thing again. It is time consuming, but makes it easier for me to sleep at night.
Hope that helps.
Clear Skies - Kurt
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On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:23 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Well, some of the new operating systems for Mac's are windows based. I am hesitant to buy a new Mac with the newer operating systems my opinion is that Mac made a mistake with their newer software making it easier to hack.
This is about as bad as some of the sudo-science running around these days with supermoons and supermars. :P It's almost like saying that Toyota is more KIA based today and that's why their breaks failed in the prius. Mac OS is a extreme variant of BSD. Nothing about the Mac OS is or could be "windows" based, the only thing you could potentially say about them is maybe something visually is the same. I'm not a Mac fanboy either. Maybe I missed some sarcasm in there though? :D :D
I run an older version and mine still seems pretty virus free. I do follow basic safe practices and do not open e-mails I do not recognize. Mac is also very easy to delete junk your hard drive seems to collect while on-line, PC's seem to retain a lot of on-line content even when you clear your history and cookies. Mac has a reset Safari that cleans the hard drive very well.
Take firefox for example. If you tell it to clean all of your history, why wouldn't it clean all of it for one OS but not the other? that's very program specific, and it does do the same job across the board. I believe you can download Safari for windows, I bet it has that same reset button. One other issues is that the file system of a windows machine is much different than that of a Mac. Even if you delete something in windows, it's still retrievable until something(or many things) have been rewritten/written to the hard drive that overwrite it's old "space". Things like this is why NTFS needs to be defrag'd weekly and optimized monthly. I recommend a few programs for those windows users: ccleaner and recuva. When you install either, be sure to uncheck the box to install whatever toolbar(similar to the adobe installer)
Gates designed Windows to be spied on and hacked.
I believe i've heard that the CIA asked that windows build backdoors into their software. Not sure how true it really is, but i wouldn't put it past me. Time to go put on my tin foil hat though. :P hahahhah
I was referring to Mac's running Windows not Mac OS.
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:23 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Well, some of the new operating systems for Mac's are windows based. I am hesitant to buy a new Mac with the newer operating systems my opinion is that Mac made a mistake with their newer software making it easier to hack.
This is about as bad as some of the sudo-science running around these days with supermoons and supermars. :P It's almost like saying that Toyota is more KIA based today and that's why their breaks failed in the prius. Mac OS is a extreme variant of BSD. Nothing about the Mac OS is or could be "windows" based, the only thing you could potentially say about them is maybe something visually is the same. I'm not a Mac fanboy either.
Maybe I missed some sarcasm in there though? :D :D
I run an older version and mine still seems pretty virus free. I do follow basic safe practices and do not open e-mails I do not recognize. Mac is also very easy to delete junk your hard drive seems to collect while on-line, PC's seem to retain a lot of on-line content even when you clear your history and cookies. Mac has a reset Safari that cleans the hard drive very well.
Take firefox for example. If you tell it to clean all of your history, why wouldn't it clean all of it for one OS but not the other? that's very program specific, and it does do the same job across the board. I believe you can download Safari for windows, I bet it has that same reset button. One other issues is that the file system of a windows machine is much different than that of a Mac. Even if you delete something in windows, it's still retrievable until something(or many things) have been rewritten/written to the hard drive that overwrite it's old "space". Things like this is why NTFS needs to be defrag'd weekly and optimized monthly.
I recommend a few programs for those windows users: ccleaner and recuva. When you install either, be sure to uncheck the box to install whatever toolbar(similar to the adobe installer)
Gates designed Windows to be spied on and hacked.
I believe i've heard that the CIA asked that windows build backdoors into their software. Not sure how true it really is, but i wouldn't put it past me. Time to go put on my tin foil hat though. :P hahahhah _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
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