Hey all. Thanks for the help. Jo, that's a good idea about Timpanogas, hadn't thought about that as an alternative. Still haven't gotten used to this high mountain snow business. Back in N.E. the big thing was "ice-out" a space of a few days in which all of the ice disappears from lakes and ponds. This generally coincides with "mud season", which is immediately followed by "black fly season". The week after THAT is called summer, and then it's autumn again.