DOD to "engage" satellite
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/ 20080214/NEWS01/80214033 patrick
Don't know how successfull the Navy will be. I've been stepping out my door and shooting up at the damned thing every few nights. Nothing! ;) Seriously, I would love to see nose camera footage of that! Quoting Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com>:
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It's uncanny how similar ths is to a recent Nova program, see: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/astrospies/ Very interesting! I'd never heard of these programs, not surprising since they were conceived of before I was ;-P I was very impressed with the Soviet station. I had no idea they had an active manned orbiting recon station, well besides Mir that is. They had a 23mm cannon on theirs, would've been useful now. Quick question, how is this different from what the chinese did awhile ago? I understand this satellite is in a decaying orbit but won't this missile impact and explosion possibly cause some debris to accelerate up into a higher orbit and become nuisance trash? Howard --- diveboss@xmission.com wrote:
Don't know how successfull the Navy will be. I've been stepping out my door and shooting up at the damned thing every few nights. Nothing! ;)
Seriously, I would love to see nose camera footage of that!
Quoting Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com>:
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This is being discussed on another list I'm on. The list is full of professional astronomers so I'm surprised to see "conspiracy" (over why "they" want it shot down) being mentioned there. But to your question, it looks like the plan is to hit it when it's so low that, unlike the Chinese fiasco, the pieces will decay quickly. patrick On 15 Feb 2008, at 00:57, Howard Jackman wrote:
It's uncanny how similar ths is to a recent Nova program, see: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/astrospies/
Very interesting! I'd never heard of these programs, not surprising since they were conceived of before I was ;-P I was very impressed with the Soviet station. I had no idea they had an active manned orbiting recon station, well besides Mir that is. They had a 23mm cannon on theirs, would've been useful now. Quick question, how is this different from what the chinese did awhile ago? I understand this satellite is in a decaying orbit but won't this missile impact and explosion possibly cause some debris to accelerate up into a higher orbit and become nuisance trash?
Howard
Hey Patrick! I figured they wanted to hit it low, I understand about wanting to get that hydrazine to burn up instead of exploding low in the atmosphere over populated areas. I'm just really curious about how large the warhead is. It could cause complications, any idea of what type of rocket they're using? I'm not surprised that there are conspiracy theories about this. We've had anti-sat missiles in development since Reagan was president. The military likes to use what it's got not to mention with China, N.Korea, and possibly Iran now in or close to being in space it makes sense to do a live fire test of the technology. This happens to be a great opportunity to do it in public to show said countries what we can do to their satellites without the outcry that China faced. Just a thought! Did you see that Nova program? I listened to it at work, and just finished watching it online. Quite amazing, I love how big they dreamed in the 50's and 60's nothing was impossible just a problem to be solved. We really need that driving spirit again in America and not just about space but everything. Howard PS; enjoying those post storm skies?? --- Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
This is being discussed on another list I'm on. The list is full of professional astronomers so I'm surprised to see "conspiracy" (over why "they" want it shot down) being mentioned there.
But to your question, it looks like the plan is to hit it when it's so low that, unlike the Chinese fiasco, the pieces will decay quickly.
patrick
On 15 Feb 2008, at 00:57, Howard Jackman wrote:
It's uncanny how similar ths is to a recent Nova program, see: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/astrospies/
Very interesting! I'd never heard of these programs, not surprising since they were conceived of before I was ;-P I was very impressed with the Soviet station. I had no idea they had an active manned orbiting recon station, well besides Mir that is. They had a 23mm cannon on theirs, would've been useful now. Quick question, how is this different from what the chinese did awhile ago? I understand this satellite is in a decaying orbit but won't this missile impact and explosion possibly cause some debris to accelerate up into a higher orbit and become nuisance trash?
Howard
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On 15 Feb 2008, at 02:14, Howard Jackman wrote:
It could cause complications, any idea of what type of rocket they're using?
All they said on the news today was a ship borne missile and that they figure they've got three tries to hit it.
Did you see that Nova program?
Yes. Good program. I appreciated the candor from the spokespeople from both sides.
PS; enjoying those post storm skies??
The skies looked good as it was getting dark last night but there must have been some high thin stuff because I was unable to get any good data. I finally gave up when the visible clouds moved in. Carpe Noctem! patrick p.s. Off topic but still fun. The trailer for the new "Indy" movie: http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/indianajones.html?showVideo=1
Did a little research (read the tibune this morning) and it states that they're using a Standar SM3 missile which is part of the Aegis system. This version of the missile was developed to add anti ballistic missile ability to the anti-aircraft role of the Standard missile system which includes the addition of a third stage and new warhead. So I guess using it against a low orbit satellite isn't too much of a stretch for it. I actually made a model rocket of this missile (Sm2 version but outwardly identical)and have launched it a few times, it's a 2 stage and on "c" engines it's gone over 2000 ft. Anyways the warhead's not really a warhead but rather a kinetic self guided interceptor using a pulse motor for constant course corrections to impact much like Deep Impact was, mass+speed=boom there's a cool youtube video of the warhead in tests and an animation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGvlNufdeL8 it's in japanese since they also use this system for missile defense. Should be quite the operational and proof of concept test! Howard PS: here's an article of a test of the SM3 in the pacific not too long ago http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1629453/posts --- Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
On 15 Feb 2008, at 02:14, Howard Jackman wrote:
It could cause complications, any idea of what type of rocket they're using?
All they said on the news today was a ship borne missile and that they figure they've got three tries to hit it.
Did you see that Nova program?
Yes. Good program. I appreciated the candor from the spokespeople from both sides.
PS; enjoying those post storm skies??
The skies looked good as it was getting dark last night but there must have been some high thin stuff because I was unable to get any good data. I finally gave up when the visible clouds moved in.
Carpe Noctem!
patrick
p.s. Off topic but still fun. The trailer for the new "Indy" movie:
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/indianajones.html?showVideo=1
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On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:14 AM, Howard Jackman <sumoetx@yahoo.com> wrote:
any idea of what type of rocket they're using?
Here's a short article that I found to be interesting and informative: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/4249458.html Chris
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Chris <slas@2nerds.com> wrote:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/4249458.html
Also, the SM-3 appears to have a kinetic (i.e. non-explosive) warhead: http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-161.html
Launch action shot: http://www.strategypage.com/military_photos/add/2008215540532.aspx
Hi Patrick,
It was the governments position 2 weeks ago that it posed no threat. No conspiracy though, just someone trying to procure funding for some expensive DOD project. Erik This is being discussed on another list I'm on. The list is full of
professional astronomers so I'm surprised to see "conspiracy" (over why "they" want it shot down) being mentioned there.
But to your question, it looks like the plan is to hit it when it's so low that, unlike the Chinese fiasco, the pieces will decay quickly.
patrick
On 15 Feb 2008, at 00:57, Howard Jackman wrote:
It's uncanny how similar ths is to a recent Nova program, see: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/astrospies/
Very interesting! I'd never heard of these programs, not surprising since they were conceived of before I was ;-P I was very impressed with the Soviet station. I had no idea they had an active manned orbiting recon station, well besides Mir that is. They had a 23mm cannon on theirs, would've been useful now. Quick question, how is this different from what the chinese did awhile ago? I understand this satellite is in a decaying orbit but won't this missile impact and explosion possibly cause some debris to accelerate up into a higher orbit and become nuisance trash?
Howard
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It will be interesting to see if they release some footage of the Âengagement. I have access to a short video of one of the last SM-3 test in which two dummy warheads launched by separate missiles from Kwajalein were successfully tracked by the Aegis system simultaneously and destroyed by two SM-3 missiles. I found some of the footage showing the hit-to-kill vehicles homing in on the targets to be pretty interesting. The SM-3 Âs have had a pretty good track record in their testing as of late. They had a couple misses early on but for quite a while they have all been successful. If IÂm not mistaken I think the last one (actually conducted by the Japanese as their 1st test) makes 12 intercepts of 14 attempts. At my work we make the inertial navigation portion of the SM-3 guidance system. (It is basically the same 3-axis accelerometer and fiber-optic gyroscope package that is being used on the Mars rovers and will be part of the Kepler system in its search for habitable planets and on the WISE (Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer) satellite.) So Guy, if they donÂt release footage of this engagement with the dud satellite, I'll have to check but IÂll see if I can get you a copy of that Nov test video. I donÂt think it is restricted in its distribution, except it may be considered ITAR (international traffic in arms regulations) controlled. If so it couldnÂt be posted on the web or made available to non-US persons. --- diveboss@xmission.com wrote:
Don't know how successfull the Navy will be. I've been stepping out my door and shooting up at the damned thing every few nights. Nothing! ;)
Seriously, I would love to see nose camera footage of that!
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Quoting Ivo Stutznegger <ics_ute@yahoo.com>:
I dont think it is restricted in its distribution, except it may be considered ITAR (international traffic in arms regulations) controlled.
That's okay, I'm licensed to deal in arms. If I would have finished medical school like I had planned, before I dropped out of high school, I would be dealing with the whole body... While probably not quite as exciting as watching live footage of a colonoscopy, nose camera footage of a missle honing in for a kill is great family fun! Thanks Ivo...
Ivo, thanks for the links. I'd love to see that footage if you find out it's OK to share it with us! I'm very impressed with the manuverability of the warhead-fast and very precise. I'd love to get my hands on those rockets it uses for directional control, they'd be nice in a model rocket ;-) Howard --- Ivo Stutznegger <ics_ute@yahoo.com> wrote:
It will be interesting to see if they release some footage of the Âengagement. I have access to a short video of one of the last SM-3 test in which two dummy warheads launched by separate missiles from Kwajalein were successfully tracked by the Aegis system simultaneously and destroyed by two SM-3 missiles. I found some of the footage showing the hit-to-kill vehicles homing in on the targets to be pretty interesting. The SM-3 Âs have had a pretty good track record in their testing as of late. They had a couple misses early on but for quite a while they have all been successful. If IÂm not mistaken I think the last one (actually conducted by the Japanese as their 1st test) makes 12 intercepts of 14 attempts. At my work we make the inertial navigation portion of the SM-3 guidance system. (It is basically the same 3-axis accelerometer and fiber-optic gyroscope package that is being used on the Mars rovers and will be part of the Kepler system in its search for habitable planets and on the WISE (Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer) satellite.)
So Guy, if they donÂt release footage of this engagement with the dud satellite, I'll have to check but IÂll see if I can get you a copy of that Nov test video. I donÂt think it is restricted in its distribution, except it may be considered ITAR (international traffic in arms regulations) controlled. If so it couldnÂt be posted on the web or made available to non-US persons.
--- diveboss@xmission.com wrote:
Don't know how successfull the Navy will be. I've been stepping out my door and shooting up at the damned thing every few nights. Nothing! ;)
Seriously, I would love to see nose camera footage of that!
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It turns out that the Aegis BMD office has already posted a narrated video (approved for public release) of the SM-3 test I referred to on YouTube. You can see it at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM6Qu1wCky0 --- Howard Jackman <sumoetx@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'd love to see that footage if you find out it's OK to share it with us!
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Great video, that IR footage was very impressive! Thanks Ivo Howard --- Ivo Stutznegger <ics_ute@yahoo.com> wrote:
It turns out that the Aegis BMD office has already posted a narrated video (approved for public release) of the SM-3 test I referred to on YouTube. You can see it at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM6Qu1wCky0
--- Howard Jackman <sumoetx@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'd love to see that footage if you find out it's OK to share it with us!
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