Apogee has the 25x100mm binos on-sale for $249! I got to examine Jim Gibson's a month or two ago, and was impressed by the fit and finish...no plastic here. These are hefty, 10-lb. units. A tripod or parallelogram is mandatory unless your name is Bruce Banner. I have not used them under the stars. Jim, can you comment on performance? Time to cash-in my aluminum cans! Chuck __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com