What possible event could SLAS be planning for the annular eclipse? Isn't SLC outside the path of totality? " Ohhh, look through the hydrogen alpha filter, it almost blocks the sun" ;-) (when the path of totality is really in its own back yard????) Okay guys, just admit it, say "thank you" for sharing the apple. Watson's older and wiser so he gets a free ride on the refractor comment??????? (Just like a woman, she won't let it go ;-))
I don't know, Facebook page indicates "details coming soon", it will be over 80% here SL residents will want to look.
Erik
What possible event could SLAS be planning for the annular eclipse? Isn't SLC outside the path of totality?  " Ohhh, look through the hydrogen alpha filter, it almost blocks the sun" ;-) (when the path of totality is really in its own back yard????)
Okay guys, just admit it, say "thank you" for sharing the apple.
Watson's older and wiser so he gets a free ride on the refractor comment??????? (Just like a woman, she won't let it go ;-)) _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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There is no path of totality. The sun will always show around the moon. It's an annular eclipse, not a total. ________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Ecliipse Festival
I don't know, Facebook page indicates "details coming soon", it will be over 80% here SL residents will want to look.
Erik
What possible event could SLAS be planning for the annular eclipse? Isn't SLC outside the path of totality?  " Ohhh, look through the hydrogen alpha filter, it almost blocks the sun" ;-) (when the path of totality is really in its own back yard????)
Okay guys, just admit it, say "thank you" for sharing the apple.
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This raises a question I've been wondering: Just what is the technical terminology for mid-eclipse? Annularity? Totality? Centrality? Other? -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:36 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Ecliipse Festival There is no path of totality. The sun will always show around the moon. It's an annular eclipse, not a total.
hmmm......... either except totality.
This raises a question I've been wondering: Just what is the technical
terminology for mid-eclipse? Annularity? Totality? Centrality? Other?
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:36 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Ecliipse Festival
There is no path of totality. The sun will always show around the moon. It's an annular eclipse, not a total.
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DENVER (AP) - Hoping to help companies reach for the stars and lure a rapidly expanding industry to Colorado, state lawmakers are trying to promote space tourism by limiting liability for spacecraft launched from Colorado that carry passengers. State Sen. Mary Hodge, a Democrat from Brighton, said Monday a company wants to build a spaceflight center at the Front Range Airport east of Denver and should be exempt from liability for passengers. According to the Denver Post (http://bit.ly/xk58NA ), the airport wants to launch jets that, at 50,000 feet, would fire rocket boosters to give passengers a suborbital adventure. The plan must still be approved by the Federal Aviation Administration. Under a bill approved unanimously Monday by the Colorado Legislature's Senate Judiciary Committee, spaceflight companies could be sued only for the death or injury of passengers in cases of gross negligence or ignoring dangerous conditions. Passengers would have to sign an agreement acknowledging the company's limited liability. The Colorado Trial Lawyers Association opposes general immunity from lawsuits, but agreed to remain neutral on the bill in exchange for an amendment clarifying that the prohibition applied only to spaceflight passengers. Virgin Galactic, founded by Sir Richard Branson, has already conducted flight tests in the Mojave Desert and the company is taking reservations for flights launched from its Spaceport America in New Mexico. No specific date for the first passenger travel has been set. Gov. John Hickenlooper supports the Colorado spaceport. The proposal also has the backing of economic-development officials across the state. The state is already is No. 2 in the nation for space-industry jobs and would like to capitalize on companies that are already building spacecraft in Colorado. It is already home to several major aerospace companies, including Lockheed Martin Space Systems of Littleton and Ball Aerospace & Technologies of Boulder. Allan Lockheed Jr., son of aviation pioneer Allan Lockheed Sr., told lawmakers Denver could become an international hub for suborbital space travel. The FAA has issued rules including mandatory training and medical fitness evaluations for crew members and preflight testing for companies seeking licenses to take passengers on an out-of-this-world joyride. Under those rules, space tourists must be informed of the serious risks associated with human space flight, and must undergo basic training.
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Barrett <BarrettWF@comcast.net> wrote:
Allan Lockheed Jr., son of aviation pioneer Allan Lockheed Sr., told lawmakers Denver could become an international hub for suborbital space travel.
Frank Moss lives! I can't help but wonder if Utah might have been in this position some 35 years ago, had there been a larger private-enterprise interest in space travel at the time. We almost had a shuttle landing facility.
I thought the Army Airfield out at Dugway was capable of landing the Shuttle in an emergency.
Isn't it the longest runway in the US? On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Barrett <BarrettWF@comcast.net> wrote:
Allan Lockheed Jr., son of aviation pioneer Allan Lockheed Sr., told lawmakers Denver could become an international hub for suborbital space travel.
Frank Moss lives!
I can't help but wonder if Utah might have been in this position some 35 years ago, had there been a larger private-enterprise interest in space travel at the time. We almost had a shuttle landing facility. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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It is far from the longest runway in the US. It is not even the longest runway in Utah. It is 11,000 feet long. Salt Lake International has two 12,000 foot runways, and Hill Air Force Base is 13,500 feet long. Both Edwards Air Force Base and Area 51 have runways in excess of 25,000 feet. Patrick, have you ever been to Michael AAF (Dugway) or flown over it? ________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Maybe Interesting?
I thought the Army Airfield out at Dugway was capable of landing the Shuttle in an emergency.
Isn't it the longest runway in the US? On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Barrett <BarrettWF@comcast.net> wrote:
Allan Lockheed Jr., son of aviation pioneer Allan Lockheed Sr., told lawmakers Denver could become an international hub for suborbital space travel.
Frank Moss lives!
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Perhaps, I just recall a the proposal to lengthen it. Google says it is nearly 13,500 ft though.
Restricted airspace is it not? It is far from the longest runway in the US. It is not even the longest
runway in Utah. It is 11,000 feet long. Salt Lake International has two 12,000 foot runways, and Hill Air Force Base is 13,500 feet long. Both Edwards Air Force Base and Area 51 have runways in excess of 25,000 feet. Patrick, have you ever been to Michael AAF (Dugway) or flown over it?
________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Maybe Interesting?
I thought the Army Airfield out at Dugway was capable of landing the Shuttle in an emergency.
Isn't it the longest runway in the US?
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Barrett <BarrettWF@comcast.net> wrote:
Allan Lockheed Jr., son of aviation pioneer Allan Lockheed Sr., told lawmakers Denver could become an international hub for suborbital space travel.
Frank Moss lives!
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Yes, it is restricted airspace. That is not to say you can't fly through it. I have several times by talking to the controlling agency and when it is not being used. There is certainly plenty of room to extend the runway should the need arise, like landing a shuttle or similar craft. ________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Maybe Interesting?
Perhaps, I just recall a the proposal to lengthen it. Google says it is nearly 13,500 ft though.
Restricted airspace is it not? It is far from the longest runway in the US. It is not even the longest
runway in Utah. It is 11,000 feet long. Salt Lake International has two 12,000 foot runways, and Hill Air Force Base is 13,500 feet long. Both Edwards Air Force Base and Area 51 have runways in excess of 25,000 feet. Patrick, have you ever been to Michael AAF (Dugway) or flown over it?
________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Maybe Interesting?
I thought the Army Airfield out at Dugway was capable of landing the Shuttle in an emergency.
Isn't it the longest runway in the US?
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Barrett <BarrettWF@comcast.net> wrote:
Allan Lockheed Jr., son of aviation pioneer Allan Lockheed Sr., told lawmakers Denver could become an international hub for suborbital space travel.
Frank Moss lives!
I can't help but wonder if Utah might have been in this position some 35 years ago, had there been a larger private-enterprise interest in space travel at the time. We almost had a shuttle landing facility. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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My point wasn't that Utah has potential alternate shuttle landing sites, it was that we could have had a dedicated facility. Big difference.
Yes, I remember we were in the running but got eliminated. I don't recall the reason though. It seems like we were three behind Edwasds. ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Maybe Interesting? My point wasn't that Utah has potential alternate shuttle landing sites, it was that we could have had a dedicated facility. Big difference. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Existing infrastructure. But mostly political clout. On Feb 7, 2012 7:42 PM, "Brent Watson" <brentjwatson@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes, I remember we were in the running but got eliminated. I don't recall the reason though. It seems like we were three behind Edwasds.
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My point wasn't that Utah has potential alternate shuttle landing sites, it was that we could have had a dedicated facility. Big difference. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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I had not heard about Dugway as a landing site for the shuttle but I do remember that in the very early days, before shuttle had flown, there was talk of the Salt Flats being used as an emergency landing site. Remembering the stink BLM made about Kim's plan to drop a bowling ball onto the Salt Flats I wonder what they would have said to a shuttle landing out there. On 07 Feb 2012, at 16:40, Brent Watson wrote:
It is far from the longest runway in the US. It is not even the longest runway in Utah. It is 11,000 feet long. Salt Lake International has two 12,000 foot runways, and Hill Air Force Base is 13,500 feet long.
Both Edwards Air Force Base and Area 51 have runways in excess of 25,000 feet.
Patrick, have you ever been to Michael AAF (Dugway) or flown over it?
Yes, one time years ago. I dropped a load of skydivers onto the base and then landed at Michael to pick them up. They were not in the habit of talking to civilians back then so the only frequency their tower and my plane had in common was the emergency frequency 121.5. Also, I remember being on approach and seeing a black line painted across the runway. As I got closer the "line" turned out to be an arresting cable. I pulled up and landed further down the strip. Oh and there was also a B-29 parked off the side of the runway in the dirt. I learned later it had been used in atomic bomb testing and was still "hot". Apparently it has since cooled sufficiently as I'm told it is now on display at the Hill AFB aerospace museum. patrick
Was the B-29 the Enola Gay? ________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Maybe Interesting? I had not heard about Dugway as a landing site for the shuttle but I do remember that in the very early days, before shuttle had flown, there was talk of the Salt Flats being used as an emergency landing site. Remembering the stink BLM made about Kim's plan to drop a bowling ball onto the Salt Flats I wonder what they would have said to a shuttle landing out there. On 07 Feb 2012, at 16:40, Brent Watson wrote:
It is far from the longest runway in the US. It is not even the longest runway in Utah. It is 11,000 feet long. Salt Lake International has two 12,000 foot runways, and Hill Air Force Base is 13,500 feet long. Both Edwards Air Force Base and Area 51 have runways in excess of 25,000 feet. Patrick, have you ever been to Michael AAF (Dugway) or flown over it?
Yes, one time years ago. I dropped a load of skydivers onto the base and then landed at Michael to pick them up. They were not in the habit of talking to civilians back then so the only frequency their tower and my plane had in common was the emergency frequency 121.5. Also, I remember being on approach and seeing a black line painted across the runway. As I got closer the "line" turned out to be an arresting cable. I pulled up and landed further down the strip. Oh and there was also a B-29 parked off the side of the runway in the dirt. I learned later it had been used in atomic bomb testing and was still "hot". Apparently it has since cooled sufficiently as I'm told it is now on display at the Hill AFB aerospace museum. patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
On 08 Feb 2012, at 01:45, Joe Bauman wrote:
Was the B-29 the Enola Gay?
No. That one's in the Smithsonian (http://www.nasm.si.edu/udvarhazy). BTW, last time I landed at Wendover I saw the hanger there where the Enola Gay was kept before leaving for the Pacific is being rehabbed. patrick
Patrick, I respectfully have to correct your statement. I made no plans to drop bowling balls anywhere. The idea started as a joke at an advanced training session, then snow-balled (or bowling-balled) from there. I think the BLM learned about it from this list (IIRC) and...well, you know what happened after that. Brent Watson and I did go to the BLM, sort of to ask, "Why not?" They didn't reject the idea outright, but they weren't very amused, either. I got distracted and lost an opportunity to be really famous. We could have (and still might) extend Man's understanding of the cosmos by doing this. It's no more goofy than Gallileo dropping canon balls from that famous leaning bell tower in Pisa. I'm sure that he would have used an airplane and the Salt Flats if they were available to him. Still, I'm pleased an honored to have my name associated with such a noble experimental concept. I think Gallileo Gallilei must be some distant relation - or something. A friend of mine had to make an emergency landing in her small plane at Dugway some years ago. The MIB with the big guns were not amused until they saw her and her great figure get out of the plane. After that there were no more problems. I'm still glad I'm a man. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:51 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Maybe Interesting? I had not heard about Dugway as a landing site for the shuttle but I do remember that in the very early days, before shuttle had flown, there was talk of the Salt Flats being used as an emergency landing site. Remembering the stink BLM made about Kim's plan to drop a bowling ball onto the Salt Flats I wonder what they would have said to a shuttle landing out there. On 07 Feb 2012, at 16:40, Brent Watson wrote:
It is far from the longest runway in the US. It is not even the longest runway in Utah. It is 11,000 feet long. Salt Lake International has two 12,000 foot runways, and Hill Air Force Base is 13,500 feet long.
Both Edwards Air Force Base and Area 51 have runways in excess of 25,000 feet.
Patrick, have you ever been to Michael AAF (Dugway) or flown over it?
Yes, one time years ago. I dropped a load of skydivers onto the base and then landed at Michael to pick them up. They were not in the habit of talking to civilians back then so the only frequency their tower and my plane had in common was the emergency frequency 121.5. Also, I remember being on approach and seeing a black line painted across the runway. As I got closer the "line" turned out to be an arresting cable. I pulled up and landed further down the strip. Oh and there was also a B-29 parked off the side of the runway in the dirt. I learned later it had been used in atomic bomb testing and was still "hot". Apparently it has since cooled sufficiently as I'm told it is now on display at the Hill AFB aerospace museum. patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Kim <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
We could have (and still might) extend Man's understanding of the cosmos by doing this.
I seem to recall that Patrick and Ann House actually dropped a bowling ball. Or am I mistaken?
You are correct, Chuck. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-03-02-meteor-bowling_x.htm -A
The whole point of the original "proposal" was to determine what happens to space rocks that might impact the hard, dense salt crust of the Salt Flats. I did not realize just how hard the salt is until I first went to the Flats to hunt for meteorites, and I wondered whether small rocks might just ricochet or if they would penetrate the salt and essentially disappear. Other questions arose: What size/velocity would an impactor have to achieve to punch through the crust? Could we model this somehow at the Salt Flats? Would a low-angle trajectory cause an object to skip across the salt? (Images of WW2 Dambusters here.) One night at advanced training a number of us were discussing this, and the rest is history. So, now I think I might be ready to try this again. If we can find a salt pan or a portion thereof that is not on federally-owned land, it would be a lot easier to pull off. Does anyone know of such a place? I think that north of the racetrack area there might be some salt pans that could work. We need to find salt at least a few inches thick so that we are indeed modeling the effects of an impact on the salt itself, and not the mud. Now that I know a thing or two about getting permission to do anything on federal land, I'd be willing to pursue this further. Ann, you should still plan on being bombardier. I have a genuine A1 flight jacket for you to wear. ;-) Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ann House Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 8:26 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Bowling balls - etc. You are correct, Chuck. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-03-02-meteor-bowling_x.htm -A _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Kim <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
The whole point of the original "proposal" was to determine what happens to space rocks that might impact the hard, dense salt crust of the Salt Flats. I did not realize just how hard the salt is until I first went to the Flats to hunt for meteorites, and I wondered whether small rocks might just ricochet or if they would penetrate the salt and essentially disappear.
Kim, take a look at this website. Lots of good info there on strewnfields in dry lake beds. Much of the data you're after may already exist. http://www.meteorite.com/blog/california-strewn-field/ It appears that anything large enough "punch through" would actually leave a small crater, which would get filled-in fairly quickly. Due to my limited free time, I'd be more likely to participate in a coordinated search, rather than drop/ballistic tests.
Well, I've still got the original bowling ball as well as several other smaller balls of varying sizes and densities. And the folks at Seabase are still willing to let us use them as ground zero again. Ann, are you up for a flight or would you care to pass the bombardier torch on to someone else? patrick (next time we'll make a strewn field) On 09 Feb 2012, at 08:50, Kim wrote:
The whole point of the original "proposal" was to determine what happens to space rocks that might impact the hard, dense salt crust of the Salt Flats. I did not realize just how hard the salt is until I first went to the Flats to hunt for meteorites, and I wondered whether small rocks might just ricochet or if they would penetrate the salt and essentially disappear. Other questions arose: What size/velocity would an impactor have to achieve to punch through the crust? Could we model this somehow at the Salt Flats? Would a low-angle trajectory cause an object to skip across the salt? (Images of WW2 Dambusters here.) One night at advanced training a number of us were discussing this, and the rest is history.
So, now I think I might be ready to try this again. If we can find a salt pan or a portion thereof that is not on federally-owned land, it would be a lot easier to pull off. Does anyone know of such a place? I think that north of the racetrack area there might be some salt pans that could work. We need to find salt at least a few inches thick so that we are indeed modeling the effects of an impact on the salt itself, and not the mud. Now that I know a thing or two about getting permission to do anything on federal land, I'd be willing to pursue this further.
Ann, you should still plan on being bombardier. I have a genuine A1 flight jacket for you to wear. ;-)
Kim
Isn't the idea to do this on a salt field? This time don't tell anyone your going to do it and you'll be more successful. The BLM got word through the media last time. ________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Bowling balls - etc. Well, I've still got the original bowling ball as well as several other smaller balls of varying sizes and densities. And the folks at Seabase are still willing to let us use them as ground zero again. Ann, are you up for a flight or would you care to pass the bombardier torch on to someone else? patrick (next time we'll make a strewn field) On 09 Feb 2012, at 08:50, Kim wrote:
The whole point of the original "proposal" was to determine what happens to space rocks that might impact the hard, dense salt crust of the Salt Flats. I did not realize just how hard the salt is until I first went to the Flats to hunt for meteorites, and I wondered whether small rocks might just ricochet or if they would penetrate the salt and essentially disappear. Other questions arose: What size/velocity would an impactor have to achieve to punch through the crust? Could we model this somehow at the Salt Flats? Would a low-angle trajectory cause an object to skip across the salt? (Images of WW2 Dambusters here.) One night at advanced training a number of us were discussing this, and the rest is history.
So, now I think I might be ready to try this again. If we can find a salt pan or a portion thereof that is not on federally-owned land, it would be a lot easier to pull off. Does anyone know of such a place? I think that north of the racetrack area there might be some salt pans that could work. We need to find salt at least a few inches thick so that we are indeed modeling the effects of an impact on the salt itself, and not the mud. Now that I know a thing or two about getting permission to do anything on federal land, I'd be willing to pursue this further.
Ann, you should still plan on being bombardier. I have a genuine A1 flight jacket for you to wear. ;-)
Kim
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On 09 Feb 2012, at 18:32, Brent Watson wrote:
Isn't the idea to do this on a salt field?
That was the original idea. And it may still happen. But until we can get the official ok I'm intrigued with the idea of making a strewn field. Intellectually I think I know how the process works but it would be fund to see it actually happen.
This time don't tell anyone your going to do it and you'll be more successful.
Nah, the FAA already has a file on me thanks to a couple of incidents back in my very early flying career. patrick
I will happily let someone else be the bombardier for the second go-around. I have had my turn in the spotlight and my turn with my head, arms, and bowling ball hanging out the window at 11,000 ft trying not to drop the ball on cows. Of course, if no one steps up to the plate, I could be talked into it again. It was a thrill! -A
Probably would've done the same to the cow! On Feb 10, 2012 11:04 AM, "Ann House" <ann@annhouse.org> wrote:
Hitting a cow would have scarred me for life.
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Not to mention what it would have done to the cow. ________________________________ From: Ann House <ann@annhouse.org> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Bowling balls - etc. Hitting a cow would have scarred me for life. -A _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Waivers mean little to nothing if there is gross negligence.
DENVER (AP) - Hoping to help companies reach for the stars and lure a
rapidly expanding industry to Colorado, state lawmakers are trying to promote space tourism by limiting liability for spacecraft launched from Colorado that carry passengers.
State Sen. Mary Hodge, a Democrat from Brighton, said Monday a company wants to build a spaceflight center at the Front Range Airport east of Denver and should be exempt from liability for passengers.
According to the Denver Post (http://bit.ly/xk58NA ), the airport wants to launch jets that, at 50,000 feet, would fire rocket boosters to give passengers a suborbital adventure. The plan must still be approved by the Federal Aviation Administration.
Under a bill approved unanimously Monday by the Colorado Legislature's Senate Judiciary Committee, spaceflight companies could be sued only for the death or injury of passengers in cases of gross negligence or ignoring dangerous conditions.
Passengers would have to sign an agreement acknowledging the company's limited liability.
The Colorado Trial Lawyers Association opposes general immunity from lawsuits, but agreed to remain neutral on the bill in exchange for an amendment clarifying that the prohibition applied only to spaceflight passengers.
Virgin Galactic, founded by Sir Richard Branson, has already conducted flight tests in the Mojave Desert and the company is taking reservations for flights launched from its Spaceport America in New Mexico. No specific date for the first passenger travel has been set.
Gov. John Hickenlooper supports the Colorado spaceport. The proposal also has the backing of economic-development officials across the state.
The state is already is No. 2 in the nation for space-industry jobs and would like to capitalize on companies that are already building spacecraft in Colorado. It is already home to several major aerospace companies, including Lockheed Martin Space Systems of Littleton and Ball Aerospace & Technologies of Boulder.
Allan Lockheed Jr., son of aviation pioneer Allan Lockheed Sr., told lawmakers Denver could become an international hub for suborbital space travel.
The FAA has issued rules including mandatory training and medical fitness evaluations for crew members and preflight testing for companies seeking licenses to take passengers on an out-of-this-world joyride.
Under those rules, space tourists must be informed of the serious risks associated with human space flight, and must undergo basic training.
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Kim -
Patrick Wiggins