Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sun Tunnels and (OT) Lucin/Central Pacific RR
Amazing story, Kim. It also sounds like a dangerous undertaking. Thanks for sharing. ------------------------------ On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 9:04 AM MDT Kim wrote:
I have had some experience with both "observing" at the sun tunnels and driving the old Central Pacific RR grade, which was eventually abandoned after construction of the Lucin Cutoff.
On December 21, 1991 I went to the tunnels with VonDel Chamberlain. It was particularly interesting because there was a partial lunar eclipse the night of the 20th/21st, so the Moon was also aligned in the opposite pair of tunnels, both at sunset and sunrise. I've got pics of the event buried in a moving box - somewhere. It was a bitter cold night, at least -20F, and the only other people nuts enough to be there were some dumb college kids without warm clothing who arrived pre-dawn for the sunrise. Still, I enjoyed the experience. I also went there with the family the following June for the solstice. There were a few more people there in June. ;-)
The Lucin Cutoff (the old Great Salt Lake trestle) was built because by about 1900 it had actually become cheaper than continuing to run trains over Promontory Summit. By around 1940 the rails had been removed from the UP and CP grades, roughly between Odgen and Lucin - hence, the "Lucin Cutoff". The Central Pacific grade is now maintained by the BLM and is supposedly drivable, except for bypasses at all of the wooden trestles. I've tried driving the CP grade between Lucin and Promontory on three occasions, and each time I've ripped open a tire on old RR spikes still buried in the soil on the grade. Finally, I determined one year to do the whole thing by bicycle. My plan was to stay on the grade as much as possible, even across the wooden trestles.
I left Promontory in the morning one day in October and pedaled to Lucin, then from there to Montello where my wife met me, a total of about 120 miles. It took three days and about 15 liters of water, that I carried on my bike all the way, until I ran out. I saw no one else the entire trip until I was well past Lucin headed to Montello off-grade. The second night I camped at the cemetery at Terrace, but I neither saw nor heard any of the ghost trains that have been reported in the area. I only had to leave the grade once or twice to bypass missing trestles, otherwise I was able to bicycle the whole thing, even on the wooden trestles that are blocked to car traffic. It was one of the best trips to which I've ever treated myself. Fascinating history and desert scenery. Well worth the time and effort, but my joints all suffered for a few weeks afterward. Guess I'm getting old(er).
Kim
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Thanks, Joe. I did many more solo adventures when I was younger - not so many since. I never really thought of the CP grade trip as dangerous, just another interesting adventure. It was before I owned my first cell phone. Couldn't have called in the troops in the event of an emergency like one can almost anywhere these days. Larry is right about how desolate the area still is. Imagine constructing the RR across it in 1869. You can see drilling marks in the rock, some artifacts, and even follow the miles of parallel grade constructed by CP and UP. Brent, I would have to check but I think it was October of '94 or '95. Larry, I was working with the Union Station in Ogden when Trestlewood was salvaging the Lucin Cutoff trestle, also in the '90s. Something well over a million board feet of lumber, as I recall, were salvaged from the trestle, including piles up to 180 feet long - all old growth douglas fir and redwood from the original construction, pickled in salt. I had a great trip by boat out to their salvage barge one day with the director of Union Station. Anyone who lives near the lake will know of the large spiders that UP imported from South America specifically to control the brine flies on the trestle. Now I think that they infest the entire shoreline of the lake, and the trestle was literally draped in perhaps millions of spider webs. I was too creeped out to leave the boat. (Hate spiders.) The salvage crew told me their bite was painful, but not particularly dangerous. I was not amused. Kim
Kim, the man in charge of maintenance on the causeway told me an interesting story. Seems during WW11 a locomotive and several boxcars went off over the trestle and went for a swim. The engine was raised, I don't know if it ran again, or went to the scrapyard. The train was a supply train and carrying clothing for the GIs. He said that after a particularly hard storm that sometimes an old boot or scrap of cloth can be found on the rocks of the causeway. 73, lh On 9/10/2012 4:38 PM, Kim wrote:
I had a great trip by boat out to their salvage barge one day with the director of Union Station.
Hi, As a wood turner I had the opportunity to acquired a few feet of the trestle wood to turn on the lathe. I am planning on making some bowls out of the wood. I cut one piece of wood on my 20" bandsaw and it stunk so bad I quit working on it. I have not gone back to cut anymore. Sometime in the future I will have 5 or 6 12" bowls made from this wood. It smelled just like the great salt lake on one of its worst days of brine smell. This was after being out of the water for a year. Mark Mark Shelton Indian Hill Middle School Tech Ed. Teacher Salt Lake Astronomical Society Board Member (School and Special Star Parties Coordinator) ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] (OT) Lucin/Central Pacific RR Thanks, Joe. I did many more solo adventures when I was younger - not so many since. I never really thought of the CP grade trip as dangerous, just another interesting adventure. It was before I owned my first cell phone. Couldn't have called in the troops in the event of an emergency like one can almost anywhere these days. Larry is right about how desolate the area still is. Imagine constructing the RR across it in 1869. You can see drilling marks in the rock, some artifacts, and even follow the miles of parallel grade constructed by CP and UP. Brent, I would have to check but I think it was October of '94 or '95. Larry, I was working with the Union Station in Ogden when Trestlewood was salvaging the Lucin Cutoff trestle, also in the '90s. Something well over a million board feet of lumber, as I recall, were salvaged from the trestle, including piles up to 180 feet long - all old growth douglas fir and redwood from the original construction, pickled in salt. I had a great trip by boat out to their salvage barge one day with the director of Union Station. Anyone who lives near the lake will know of the large spiders that UP imported from South America specifically to control the brine flies on the trestle. Now I think that they infest the entire shoreline of the lake, and the trestle was literally draped in perhaps millions of spider webs. I was too creeped out to leave the boat. (Hate spiders.) The salvage crew told me their bite was painful, but not particularly dangerous. I was not amused. Kim _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Mark, isn't it funny how some woods just stink to high heaven when you cut them? I've noticed this many times over the years. Thanks for the laugh! I've walked in your shoes. On Sep 10, 2012 7:08 PM, "Mark Shelton" <astroshelton@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi, As a wood turner I had the opportunity to acquired a few feet of the trestle wood to turn on the lathe. I am planning on making some bowls out of the wood. I cut one piece of wood on my 20" bandsaw and it stunk so bad I quit working on it. I have not gone back to cut anymore. Sometime in the future I will have 5 or 6 12" bowls made from this wood. It smelled just like the great salt lake on one of its worst days of brine smell. This was after being out of the water for a year.
Mark
Mark Shelton Indian Hill Middle School Tech Ed. Teacher Salt Lake Astronomical Society Board Member (School and Special Star Parties Coordinator)
________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] (OT) Lucin/Central Pacific RR
Thanks, Joe. I did many more solo adventures when I was younger - not so many since. I never really thought of the CP grade trip as dangerous, just another interesting adventure. It was before I owned my first cell phone. Couldn't have called in the troops in the event of an emergency like one can almost anywhere these days. Larry is right about how desolate the area still is. Imagine constructing the RR across it in 1869. You can see drilling marks in the rock, some artifacts, and even follow the miles of parallel grade constructed by CP and UP.
Brent, I would have to check but I think it was October of '94 or '95.
Larry, I was working with the Union Station in Ogden when Trestlewood was salvaging the Lucin Cutoff trestle, also in the '90s. Something well over a million board feet of lumber, as I recall, were salvaged from the trestle, including piles up to 180 feet long - all old growth douglas fir and redwood from the original construction, pickled in salt. I had a great trip by boat out to their salvage barge one day with the director of Union Station. Anyone who lives near the lake will know of the large spiders that UP imported from South America specifically to control the brine flies on the trestle. Now I think that they infest the entire shoreline of the lake, and the trestle was literally draped in perhaps millions of spider webs. I was too creeped out to leave the boat. (Hate spiders.) The salvage crew told me their bite was painful, but not particularly dangerous. I was not amused.
Kim
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Did you soak it in fresh water to get the salt out of it? I went to a talk by a treasure hunter last week and they soak wood they find on sunken ships in fresh water for a year or more, then soak it in a sugar solution. The sugar replaces the salt, and the wood is preserved. Dan -- Sent from my iPhone. Please pardon any mispelings or errors. On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark, isn't it funny how some woods just stink to high heaven when you cut them? I've noticed this many times over the years.
Thanks for the laugh! I've walked in your shoes. On Sep 10, 2012 7:08 PM, "Mark Shelton" <astroshelton@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi, As a wood turner I had the opportunity to acquired a few feet of the trestle wood to turn on the lathe. I am planning on making some bowls out of the wood. I cut one piece of wood on my 20" bandsaw and it stunk so bad I quit working on it. I have not gone back to cut anymore. Sometime in the future I will have 5 or 6 12" bowls made from this wood. It smelled just like the great salt lake on one of its worst days of brine smell. This was after being out of the water for a year.
Mark
Mark Shelton Indian Hill Middle School Tech Ed. Teacher Salt Lake Astronomical Society Board Member (School and Special Star Parties Coordinator)
________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] (OT) Lucin/Central Pacific RR
Thanks, Joe. I did many more solo adventures when I was younger - not so many since. I never really thought of the CP grade trip as dangerous, just another interesting adventure. It was before I owned my first cell phone. Couldn't have called in the troops in the event of an emergency like one can almost anywhere these days. Larry is right about how desolate the area still is. Imagine constructing the RR across it in 1869. You can see drilling marks in the rock, some artifacts, and even follow the miles of parallel grade constructed by CP and UP.
Brent, I would have to check but I think it was October of '94 or '95.
Larry, I was working with the Union Station in Ogden when Trestlewood was salvaging the Lucin Cutoff trestle, also in the '90s. Something well over a million board feet of lumber, as I recall, were salvaged from the trestle, including piles up to 180 feet long - all old growth douglas fir and redwood from the original construction, pickled in salt. I had a great trip by boat out to their salvage barge one day with the director of Union Station. Anyone who lives near the lake will know of the large spiders that UP imported from South America specifically to control the brine flies on the trestle. Now I think that they infest the entire shoreline of the lake, and the trestle was literally draped in perhaps millions of spider webs. I was too creeped out to leave the boat. (Hate spiders.) The salvage crew told me their bite was painful, but not particularly dangerous. I was not amused.
Kim
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Hi, That is very interesting I will check into that. there are chemicals out on the market for replacing the water in the wood. PEG is one that comes to mind. You almost do the same thing you are talking about but do not use sugar in the end. The PEG replaces the water in the wood and stabilizes it. I am thinking that there is no way I am getting the smell out of the wood that has been under water for almost 100 years or so. Mark Mark Shelton Indian Hill Middle School Tech Ed. Teacher Salt Lake Astronomical Society Board Member (School and Special Star Parties Coordinator) ________________________________ From: Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] (OT) Lucin/Central Pacific RR Did you soak it in fresh water to get the salt out of it? I went to a talk by a treasure hunter last week and they soak wood they find on sunken ships in fresh water for a year or more, then soak it in a sugar solution. The sugar replaces the salt, and the wood is preserved. Dan -- Sent from my iPhone. Please pardon any mispelings or errors. On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark, isn't it funny how some woods just stink to high heaven when you cut them? I've noticed this many times over the years.
Thanks for the laugh! I've walked in your shoes. On Sep 10, 2012 7:08 PM, "Mark Shelton" <astroshelton@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi, As a wood turner I had the opportunity to acquired a few feet of the trestle wood to turn on the lathe. I am planning on making some bowls out of the wood. I cut one piece of wood on my 20" bandsaw and it stunk so bad I quit working on it. I have not gone back to cut anymore. Sometime in the future I will have 5 or 6 12" bowls made from this wood. It smelled just like the great salt lake on one of its worst days of brine smell. This was after being out of the water for a year.
Mark
Mark Shelton Indian Hill Middle School Tech Ed. Teacher Salt Lake Astronomical Society Board Member (School and Special Star Parties Coordinator)
________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] (OT) Lucin/Central Pacific RR
Thanks, Joe. I did many more solo adventures when I was younger - not so many since. I never really thought of the CP grade trip as dangerous, just another interesting adventure. It was before I owned my first cell phone. Couldn't have called in the troops in the event of an emergency like one can almost anywhere these days. Larry is right about how desolate the area still is. Imagine constructing the RR across it in 1869. You can see drilling marks in the rock, some artifacts, and even follow the miles of parallel grade constructed by CP and UP.
Brent, I would have to check but I think it was October of '94 or '95.
Larry, I was working with the Union Station in Ogden when Trestlewood was salvaging the Lucin Cutoff trestle, also in the '90s. Something well over a million board feet of lumber, as I recall, were salvaged from the trestle, including piles up to 180 feet long - all old growth douglas fir and redwood from the original construction, pickled in salt. I had a great trip by boat out to their salvage barge one day with the director of Union Station. Anyone who lives near the lake will know of the large spiders that UP imported from South America specifically to control the brine flies on the trestle. Now I think that they infest the entire shoreline of the lake, and the trestle was literally draped in perhaps millions of spider webs. I was too creeped out to leave the boat. (Hate spiders.) The salvage crew told me their bite was painful, but not particularly dangerous. I was not amused.
Kim
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Love the story of the old GI clothing washing up - thanks, Larry. As I recall the salvaged wood has up to 11 percent salt content. I know it's a challenge to both work and finish but I've never tried to work any myself. Kim
There was an episode of the "New Yankee Workshop" where Norm visited the salvage operation and took delivery of some redwood. He used it to make some outdoor funiture but never mentioned any problem with smell. Perhaps only some of the reclaimed wood has the problem. DT ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] (OT) Lucin/Central Pacific RR Love the story of the old GI clothing washing up - thanks, Larry. As I recall the salvaged wood has up to 11 percent salt content. I know it's a challenge to both work and finish but I've never tried to work any myself. Kim _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
The guy showing the technique had a pulley from a ship's mast that'd been dated around the late 1500's. It had a faint odor, but he said dipping it in Minwax helped with that. Although the GSL is a little brinier than the ocean, I'd imagine the techniques are the same. You might try soaking it in a fishtank of fresh water for a while... Dan On Sep 11, 2012, at 7:41 AM, Mark Shelton <astroshelton@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi, That is very interesting I will check into that. there are chemicals out on the market for replacing the water in the wood. PEG is one that comes to mind. You almost do the same thing you are talking about but do not use sugar in the end. The PEG replaces the water in the wood and stabilizes it. I am thinking that there is no way I am getting the smell out of the wood that has been under water for almost 100 years or so.
Mark
Mark Shelton Indian Hill Middle School Tech Ed. Teacher Salt Lake Astronomical Society Board Member (School and Special Star Parties Coordinator)
________________________________ From: Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] (OT) Lucin/Central Pacific RR
Did you soak it in fresh water to get the salt out of it?
I went to a talk by a treasure hunter last week and they soak wood they find on sunken ships in fresh water for a year or more, then soak it in a sugar solution. The sugar replaces the salt, and the wood is preserved.
Dan
-- Sent from my iPhone. Please pardon any mispelings or errors.
On Sep 10, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark, isn't it funny how some woods just stink to high heaven when you cut them? I've noticed this many times over the years.
Thanks for the laugh! I've walked in your shoes. On Sep 10, 2012 7:08 PM, "Mark Shelton" <astroshelton@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi, As a wood turner I had the opportunity to acquired a few feet of the trestle wood to turn on the lathe. I am planning on making some bowls out of the wood. I cut one piece of wood on my 20" bandsaw and it stunk so bad I quit working on it. I have not gone back to cut anymore. Sometime in the future I will have 5 or 6 12" bowls made from this wood. It smelled just like the great salt lake on one of its worst days of brine smell. This was after being out of the water for a year.
Mark
Mark Shelton Indian Hill Middle School Tech Ed. Teacher Salt Lake Astronomical Society Board Member (School and Special Star Parties Coordinator)
________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] (OT) Lucin/Central Pacific RR
Thanks, Joe. I did many more solo adventures when I was younger - not so many since. I never really thought of the CP grade trip as dangerous, just another interesting adventure. It was before I owned my first cell phone. Couldn't have called in the troops in the event of an emergency like one can almost anywhere these days. Larry is right about how desolate the area still is. Imagine constructing the RR across it in 1869. You can see drilling marks in the rock, some artifacts, and even follow the miles of parallel grade constructed by CP and UP.
Brent, I would have to check but I think it was October of '94 or '95.
Larry, I was working with the Union Station in Ogden when Trestlewood was salvaging the Lucin Cutoff trestle, also in the '90s. Something well over a million board feet of lumber, as I recall, were salvaged from the trestle, including piles up to 180 feet long - all old growth douglas fir and redwood from the original construction, pickled in salt. I had a great trip by boat out to their salvage barge one day with the director of Union Station. Anyone who lives near the lake will know of the large spiders that UP imported from South America specifically to control the brine flies on the trestle. Now I think that they infest the entire shoreline of the lake, and the trestle was literally draped in perhaps millions of spider webs. I was too creeped out to leave the boat. (Hate spiders.) The salvage crew told me their bite was painful, but not particularly dangerous. I was not amused.
Kim
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