While the U.S. Stalls, Europe Moves On to Mars
Grumble: While the U.S. Stalls, Europe Moves On to Mars http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00003222/ I guess some folks think we just don't need no stinkin' science... patrick
I want to clarify one thing on SLAS on-Line voting. We will be cutting-off on-line voting about 24 hours before the meeting on Tuesday. After the cut-off if you haven't voted on-line you will have to come to the meeting cast your vote. So if you want to vote and vote on-line do so soon or plan on coming to the meeting. Bob -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 3:33 PM To: utah astronomy utah astronomy listserve Subject: [Utah-astronomy] While the U.S. Stalls, Europe Moves On to Mars Grumble: While the U.S. Stalls, Europe Moves On to Mars http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00003222/ I guess some folks think we just don't need no stinkin' science... patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
On 10/14/11, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Grumble:
While the U.S. Stalls, Europe Moves On to Mars http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00003222/
I guess some folks think we just don't need no stinkin' science...
Honestly, this country simply can't afford the space presence that some of us think we should have. We need to re-align our priorities. After the national debt is paid-down, or paid-off, then we can think about Star Trek wet-dreams. Let's pay the bills first, instead of indenturing our children and grandchildren. We've had our fun, now lets get the ledgers adjusted.
As I recall we've been to Mars several times.
On 10/14/11, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Grumble:
While the U.S. Stalls, Europe Moves On to Mars http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00003222/
I guess some folks think we just don't need no stinkin' science...
Honestly, this country simply can't afford the space presence that some of us think we should have. We need to re-align our priorities. After the national debt is paid-down, or paid-off, then we can think about Star Trek wet-dreams. Let's pay the bills first, instead of indenturing our children and grandchildren. We've had our fun, now lets get the ledgers adjusted.
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The problem in the United States is the notion that most Americans have of the national debt and they freak out over our debt. It's not the debt, it is the growth of that debt as a percentage of GNP that needs to be curtailed. Governments should have a debt level and it is the means whereby they secure the economic growth, development and increase the standard of living for its citizens. The problem is the increase percentage of the national debt to Gross National Product. Two major recessions after the tech and housing bubbles where businesses were allowed to basically be unregulated and two major wars that were given blank checks are the reasons for the increase. If you want, you can see this article for more information: http://welkerswikinomics.com/blog/2011/02/22/the-u-s-national-debt-how-bad-i... My point is that we can still have a space program. Indeed I would argue we must have a space program. The cost can be absorbed by cuts to our Defense Budget which is already way to big. I am firmly of the opinion we could cut our defense budget and we have more than enough forces to deal with any threat in the world. We spend more than any of the top 15 countries spend on their military combined, and save for China and Russia, most of the others you would consider to be U.S. allies. Less than 1% of the defense budget I've read online (I actually think it is less than that but I am not going to look up the numbers right now) would fund the James Webb Telescope AND all the other programs that NASA has on the table. In the days of Apollo, NASA got about 5% of the national budget. Now it is around .5 percent. I think the trade off is far worth it and yes, we can stop the massive spending of the last ten years of both parties without destroying social security, medicare or NASA. The question comes down in my opinion are we the people willing to elect representatives that have the knowledge to do both? Disagree with me, that's fine as this is my opinion. Now, back to astronomy. On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 4:23 PM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
As I recall we've been to Mars several times.
On 10/14/11, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Grumble:
While the U.S. Stalls, Europe Moves On to Mars http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00003222/
I guess some folks think we just don't need no stinkin' science...
Honestly, this country simply can't afford the space presence that some of us think we should have. We need to re-align our priorities. After the national debt is paid-down, or paid-off, then we can think about Star Trek wet-dreams. Let's pay the bills first, instead of indenturing our children and grandchildren. We've had our fun, now lets get the ledgers adjusted.
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