Kim Hyatt and me had a delightful time at the Gravel Quarry Friday night. I thought the sky to be quite dark and steady. Brown's Canyon is my preferred location because from my home in Cottonwood Heights, it is a total of 40 miles to the site and I can get there in as many minutes. Lakeside or Rush Valley is further to drive for me and I prefer to have a little more elevation and a dark eastern sky. Lowell Lyon
I agree with Lowell. I know a lot of people like Lakeside and it's a good spot but moisture and elevation are not as good as the Gravel Quarry IMHO. Lakeside is a further drive for me as well. I find the GQ skies quite dark except in the west which is somewhat polluted by the Salt Lake Front, other directions are very good, especially the north, east and south, you loose some sky from about SW to NNW to light pollution but it's still OK. Rush Valley is long for me these days and I haven't been there in a while. On Saturday the transparency was very good/excellent but the steadiness was only marginal, the stars were bouncing around quite a bit. Not so good for Photography on Saturday, stars were becoming small disks instead of points. Bob -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Lyon Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 9:20 AM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry Kim Hyatt and me had a delightful time at the Gravel Quarry Friday night. I thought the sky to be quite dark and steady. Brown's Canyon is my preferred location because from my home in Cottonwood Heights, it is a total of 40 miles to the site and I can get there in as many minutes. Lakeside or Rush Valley is further to drive for me and I prefer to have a little more elevation and a dark eastern sky. Lowell Lyon _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
I'll have to give the Gravel Pit a try sometime. I have a couple of sites up pass Guardsman Pass that I like but they will become unusable come winter. In terms of Lakeside and Rush Valley/Pit n Pole, I like both sites and Rush Valley is only a 40 to 45 minute drive for me. If humidity is up I can go up in elevation out there by Five Mile Pass which is a shorter drive and the two sites there are up and away from the main road, or pass the Pit n Pole site. Also to get out of the humidity there are a few sites above Provo that are okay and accessible come winter. On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Robert Taylor <rob.taylor@digis.net>wrote:
I agree with Lowell. I know a lot of people like Lakeside and it's a good spot but moisture and elevation are not as good as the Gravel Quarry IMHO. Lakeside is a further drive for me as well. I find the GQ skies quite dark except in the west which is somewhat polluted by the Salt Lake Front, other directions are very good, especially the north, east and south, you loose some sky from about SW to NNW to light pollution but it's still OK. Rush Valley is long for me these days and I haven't been there in a while.
On Saturday the transparency was very good/excellent but the steadiness was only marginal, the stars were bouncing around quite a bit. Not so good for Photography on Saturday, stars were becoming small disks instead of points.
Bob
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Lowell Lyon Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 9:20 AM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry
Kim Hyatt and me had a delightful time at the Gravel Quarry Friday night. I thought the sky to be quite dark and steady. Brown's Canyon is my preferred location because from my home in Cottonwood Heights, it is a total of 40 miles to the site and I can get there in as many minutes. Lakeside or Rush Valley is further to drive for me and I prefer to have a little more elevation and a dark eastern sky.
Lowell Lyon
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Hate to rub it in, but I've got several great sites, all of which are superior to Rush Valley, the Gravel Pit and Lakeside, within a ten minute drive from my home. Even Skyline Drive is better than Wolf Creek Pass in some ways and I can get there in less than 30 minutes. I live right in town, yet just outside my front door the sky is darker than that at SPOC. On the downside, it's hard to make a living here. :-( However, as you may surmise, I do have my priorities in order. As Lowell wrote earlier, he and I did indeed have a great time at the gravel pit on Friday night. It was dark, transparent and steady enough to pick out a few faint objects I haven't seen before, and Lowell's C14 gave impressive views. When I lived in SLC I, too found it to be a convenient dark site. I recommend it for anyone who hasn't yet been there. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jay Eads Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 6:38 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry I'll have to give the Gravel Pit a try sometime. I have a couple of sites up pass Guardsman Pass that I like but they will become unusable come winter. In terms of Lakeside and Rush Valley/Pit n Pole, I like both sites and Rush Valley is only a 40 to 45 minute drive for me. If humidity is up I can go up in elevation out there by Five Mile Pass which is a shorter drive and the two sites there are up and away from the main road, or pass the Pit n Pole site. Also to get out of the humidity there are a few sites above Provo that are okay and accessible come winter.
However Kim, we are closer to the Red Iguana than you are.
Hate to rub it in, but I've got several great sites, all of which are
superior to Rush Valley, the Gravel Pit and Lakeside, within a ten minute drive from my home. Even Skyline Drive is better than Wolf Creek Pass in some ways and I can get there in less than 30 minutes. I live right in town, yet just outside my front door the sky is darker than that at SPOC. On the downside, it's hard to make a living here. :-( However, as you may surmise, I do have my priorities in order.
As Lowell wrote earlier, he and I did indeed have a great time at the gravel pit on Friday night. It was dark, transparent and steady enough to pick out a few faint objects I haven't seen before, and Lowell's C14 gave impressive views. When I lived in SLC I, too found it to be a convenient dark site. I recommend it for anyone who hasn't yet been there.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jay Eads Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 6:38 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry
I'll have to give the Gravel Pit a try sometime. I have a couple of sites up pass Guardsman Pass that I like but they will become unusable come winter. In terms of Lakeside and Rush Valley/Pit n Pole, I like both sites and Rush Valley is only a 40 to 45 minute drive for me. If humidity is up I can go up in elevation out there by Five Mile Pass which is a shorter drive and the two sites there are up and away from the main road, or pass the Pit n Pole site. Also to get out of the humidity there are a few sites above Provo that are okay and accessible come winter.
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What I don't like about Lakeside are the colder temps that come with the altitude, the occasional drunk local walking home (well, it happened once), mountains -- I'm a desert guy, light pollution that I think is worse than at Lakeside, gravel pit activity even though it's night, and setting up on either a public road or private property. Lakeside has plenty of factors that detract from the experience too, but in my wholly personal judgment it's preferable to the Gravel Pit. -- Joe --- On Tue, 9/14/10, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
From: erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 8:26 AM
However Kim, we are closer to the Red Iguana than you are.
Hate to rub it in, but I've got several great sites, all of which are
superior to Rush Valley, the Gravel Pit and Lakeside, within a ten minute drive from my home. Even Skyline Drive is better than Wolf Creek Pass in some ways and I can get there in less than 30 minutes. I live right in town, yet just outside my front door the sky is darker than that at SPOC. On the downside, it's hard to make a living here. :-( However, as you may surmise, I do have my priorities in order.
As Lowell wrote earlier, he and I did indeed have a great time at the gravel pit on Friday night. It was dark, transparent and steady enough to pick out a few faint objects I haven't seen before, and Lowell's C14 gave impressive views. When I lived in SLC I, too found it to be a convenient dark site. I recommend it for anyone who hasn't yet been there.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jay Eads Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 6:38 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry
I'll have to give the Gravel Pit a try sometime. I have a couple of sites up pass Guardsman Pass that I like but they will become unusable come winter. In terms of Lakeside and Rush Valley/Pit n Pole, I like both sites and Rush Valley is only a 40 to 45 minute drive for me. If humidity is up I can go up in elevation out there by Five Mile Pass which is a shorter drive and the two sites there are up and away from the main road, or pass the Pit n Pole site. Also to get out of the humidity there are a few sites above Provo that are okay and accessible come winter.
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I don't know. I guess it is all personal preference. I enjoy Lakeside since it has a better Western horizon than the gravel pit (Quarry). That is one of it's pluses for me. I feel more comfortable driving home late at night on I-80 from the West than I do with the small road and I-80 through Parley's canyon. I'm sure like I said it is just personal preference. When you say "Lakeside has plenty of factors that detract from the experience" are you refering to us visual guys? I don't really think so but I thought I'd ask.;) Can you imagine how lucky we are to dispute which is the best "darker sky" location? Having so many within driving distance for one night of observing is something that hundreds if not thousands of folks like us would love to have. Steve
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:35:34 -0700 From: josephmbauman@yahoo.com To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry
What I don't like about Lakeside are the colder temps that come with the altitude, the occasional drunk local walking home (well, it happened once), mountains -- I'm a desert guy, light pollution that I think is worse than at Lakeside, gravel pit activity even though it's night, and setting up on either a public road or private property. Lakeside has plenty of factors that detract from the experience too, but in my wholly personal judgment it's preferable to the Gravel Pit. -- Joe
--- On Tue, 9/14/10, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
From: erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 8:26 AM
However Kim, we are closer to the Red Iguana than you are.
Hate to rub it in, but I've got several great sites, all of which are
superior to Rush Valley, the Gravel Pit and Lakeside, within a ten minute drive from my home. Even Skyline Drive is better than Wolf Creek Pass in some ways and I can get there in less than 30 minutes. I live right in town, yet just outside my front door the sky is darker than that at SPOC. On the downside, it's hard to make a living here. :-( However, as you may surmise, I do have my priorities in order.
As Lowell wrote earlier, he and I did indeed have a great time at the gravel pit on Friday night. It was dark, transparent and steady enough to pick out a few faint objects I haven't seen before, and Lowell's C14 gave impressive views. When I lived in SLC I, too found it to be a convenient dark site. I recommend it for anyone who hasn't yet been there.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jay Eads Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 6:38 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry
I'll have to give the Gravel Pit a try sometime. I have a couple of sites up pass Guardsman Pass that I like but they will become unusable come winter. In terms of Lakeside and Rush Valley/Pit n Pole, I like both sites and Rush Valley is only a 40 to 45 minute drive for me. If humidity is up I can go up in elevation out there by Five Mile Pass which is a shorter drive and the two sites there are up and away from the main road, or pass the Pit n Pole site. Also to get out of the humidity there are a few sites above Provo that are okay and accessible come winter.
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Great example of why SLAS was never able to agree on a place to build a private, dark sky observatory. But like Steve says, we're lucky to have so many dark spots to go to. 'Course I'm happy observing from home. patrick On 14 Sep 2010, at 17:56 , Steve FISHER wrote:
I don't know. I guess it is all personal preference. I enjoy Lakeside since it has a better Western horizon than the gravel pit (Quarry). That is one of it's pluses for me. I feel more comfortable driving home late at night on I-80 from the West than I do with the small road and I-80 through Parley's canyon. I'm sure like I said it is just personal preference. When you say "Lakeside has plenty of factors that detract from the experience" are you refering to us visual guys? I don't really think so but I thought I'd ask.;) Can you imagine how lucky we are to dispute which is the best "darker sky" location? Having so many within driving distance for one night of observing is something that hundreds if not thousands of folks like us would love to have. Steve
Anyone have SQM readings from the Gravel Pit? I have SQM readings from Lakeside as I am compiling them from each site I observe from when I remember to bring the SQM. On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Patrick <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Great example of why SLAS was never able to agree on a place to build a private, dark sky observatory.
But like Steve says, we're lucky to have so many dark spots to go to.
'Course I'm happy observing from home.
patrick
On 14 Sep 2010, at 17:56 , Steve FISHER wrote:
I don't know. I guess it is all personal preference. I enjoy Lakeside
since it has a better Western horizon than the gravel pit (Quarry). That is one of it's pluses for me. I feel more comfortable driving home late at night on I-80 from the West than I do with the small road and I-80 through Parley's canyon. I'm sure like I said it is just personal preference. When you say "Lakeside has plenty of factors that detract from the experience" are you refering to us visual guys? I don't really think so but I thought I'd ask.;)
Can you imagine how lucky we are to dispute which is the best "darker sky" location? Having so many within driving distance for one night of observing is something that hundreds if not thousands of folks like us would love to have. Steve
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Hi Steve et al, My biggest problems with Lakeside are the absence of an eastern horizon because of SLC light pollution -- which actually is part of a huge advantage, that it's close to home -- and the fine pervasive dust. Also, I suspect that at times it gets pretty humid. I would hate to drive on that surface if it were muddy. But I really like the site. Thanks, Joe --- On Tue, 9/14/10, Jay Eads <jayleads@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Jay Eads <jayleads@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 8:10 PM Anyone have SQM readings from the Gravel Pit? I have SQM readings from Lakeside as I am compiling them from each site I observe from when I remember to bring the SQM.
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Patrick <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Great example of why SLAS was never able to agree on a place to build a private, dark sky observatory.
But like Steve says, we're lucky to have so many dark spots to go to.
'Course I'm happy observing from home.
patrick
On 14 Sep 2010, at 17:56 , Steve FISHER wrote:
I don't know. I guess it is all personal
preference. I enjoy Lakeside since it has a better Western horizon than the gravel pit (Quarry). That is one of it's pluses for me. I feel more comfortable driving home late at night on I-80 from the West than I do with the small road and I-80 through Parley's canyon. I'm sure like I said it is just personal preference. When you say "Lakeside has plenty of factors that detract from the experience" are you refering to us visual guys? I don't really think so but I thought I'd ask.;)
Can you imagine how lucky we are to dispute which is the best "darker sky" location? Having so many within driving distance for one night of observing is something that hundreds if not thousands of folks like us would love to have. Steve
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Hi all, I think I got my mojo workin'. Here's a view I took this morning of the middle of M-33, 3 million light-years away, from Lakeside. Thanks for looking, Joe http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=3787
Very stunning Joe! You've reminded me I have to get my sketch of M33 from Wolf Creek and Lakeside up. On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com>wrote:
Hi all, I think I got my mojo workin'. Here's a view I took this morning of the middle of M-33, 3 million light-years away, from Lakeside. Thanks for looking, Joe
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Thanks, Jay. I'd like to see the sketch. --- On Tue, 9/14/10, Jay Eads <jayleads@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Jay Eads <jayleads@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mojo To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 11:00 PM Very stunning Joe! You've reminded me I have to get my sketch of M33 from Wolf Creek and Lakeside up.
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com>wrote:
Hi all, I think I got my mojo workin'. Here's a view I took this morning of the middle of M-33, 3 million light-years away, from Lakeside. Thanks for looking, Joe
http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=3787
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Thanks to David, too! And anyone else who wishes to comment. --- On Tue, 9/14/10, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mojo To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 11:09 PM Thanks, Jay. I'd like to see the sketch.
--- On Tue, 9/14/10, Jay Eads <jayleads@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Jay Eads <jayleads@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mojo To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 11:00 PM Very stunning Joe! You've reminded me I have to get my sketch of M33 from Wolf Creek and Lakeside up.
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com>wrote:
Hi all, I think I got my mojo workin'. Here's a view I took this morning of the middle of M-33, 3 million light-years away, from Lakeside. Thanks for looking, Joe
http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=3787
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Very nice shot Joe :) On 9/14/2010 10:35 PM, Joe Bauman wrote:
Hi all, I think I got my mojo workin'. Here's a view I took this morning of the middle of M-33, 3 million light-years away, from Lakeside. Thanks for looking, Joe
http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=3787
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Mojo? That's just your hard work paying off. Great stuff. Thanks for sharing. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:35 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Mojo Hi all, I think I got my mojo workin'. Here's a view I took this morning of the middle of M-33, 3 million light-years away, from Lakeside. Thanks for looking, Joe http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=3787 _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Joe, nice image. -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:35 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Mojo Hi all, I think I got my mojo workin'. Here's a view I took this morning of the middle of M-33, 3 million light-years away, from Lakeside. Thanks for looking, Joe http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=3787 _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Nice shot, Joe. I was wondering if your mojo was working yet. You sent it back to the manufacturer for warranty work recently, didn't you? ;o) On 9/14/10, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all, I think I got my mojo workin'. Here's a view I took this morning of the middle of M-33, 3 million light-years away, from Lakeside. Thanks for looking, Joe
Yep, it was a little worn after 64 years -- but lubrication here, tightening there, planing off some rough edges, got it going again. -- Thanks, Joe --- On Wed, 9/15/10, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mojo To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 10:39 AM Nice shot, Joe.
I was wondering if your mojo was working yet. You sent it back to the manufacturer for warranty work recently, didn't you?
;o)
On 9/14/10, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all, I think I got my mojo workin'. Here's a view I took this morning of the middle of M-33, 3 million light-years away, from Lakeside. Thanks for looking, Joe
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Very nice work Joe! Tyler -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:35 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Mojo Hi all, I think I got my mojo workin'. Here's a view I took this morning of the middle of M-33, 3 million light-years away, from Lakeside. Thanks for looking, Joe http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=3787 _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Well if we where allowed to build an observatory there I think we would. As I recall the problem was finding a site we could build on, the SPOC site met all criteria. IE, reasonably dark, 24 hr security, permission to build. Many of sites talked about were more light polluted than SPOC.
Great example of why SLAS was never able to agree on a place to build a
private, dark sky observatory.
But like Steve says, we're lucky to have so many dark spots to go to.
'Course I'm happy observing from home.
patrick
On 14 Sep 2010, at 17:56 , Steve FISHER wrote:
I don't know. I guess it is all personal preference. I enjoy Lakeside since it has a better Western horizon than the gravel pit (Quarry). That is one of it's pluses for me. I feel more comfortable driving home late at night on I-80 from the West than I do with the small road and I-80 through Parley's canyon. I'm sure like I said it is just personal preference. When you say "Lakeside has plenty of factors that detract from the experience" are you refering to us visual guys? I don't really think so but I thought I'd ask.;) Can you imagine how lucky we are to dispute which is the best "darker sky" location? Having so many within driving distance for one night of observing is something that hundreds if not thousands of folks like us would love to have. Steve
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Oh nuts, what I was talking about in this post WASN'T the trouble with Lakeside, but about the gravel pit!!! Shows my age. Or my grogginess after yet another night spent at Lakeside. Sorry, friends. --- Joe --- On Tue, 9/14/10, Steve FISHER <sfisher01@msn.com> wrote:
From: Steve FISHER <sfisher01@msn.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 5:56 PM
I don't know. I guess it is all personal preference. I enjoy Lakeside since it has a better Western horizon than the gravel pit (Quarry). That is one of it's pluses for me. I feel more comfortable driving home late at night on I-80 from the West than I do with the small road and I-80 through Parley's canyon. I'm sure like I said it is just personal preference. When you say "Lakeside has plenty of factors that detract from the experience" are you refering to us visual guys? I don't really think so but I thought I'd ask.;) Can you imagine how lucky we are to dispute which is the best "darker sky" location? Having so many within driving distance for one night of observing is something that hundreds if not thousands of folks like us would love to have. Steve
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:35:34 -0700 From: josephmbauman@yahoo.com To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry
What I don't like about Lakeside are the colder temps that come with the altitude, the occasional drunk local walking home (well, it happened once), mountains -- I'm a desert guy, light pollution that I think is worse than at Lakeside, gravel pit activity even though it's night, and setting up on either a public road or private property. Lakeside has plenty of factors that detract from the experience too, but in my wholly personal judgment it's preferable to the Gravel Pit. -- Joe
--- On Tue, 9/14/10, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
From: erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 8:26 AM
However Kim, we are closer to the Red Iguana than you are.
Hate to rub it in, but I've got several great sites, all of which are
superior to Rush Valley, the Gravel Pit and Lakeside, within a ten minute drive from my home. Even Skyline Drive is better than Wolf Creek Pass in some ways and I can get there in less than 30 minutes. I live right in town, yet just outside my front door the sky is darker than that at SPOC. On the downside, it's hard to make a living here. :-( However, as you may surmise, I do have my priorities in order.
As Lowell wrote earlier, he and I did indeed have a great time at the gravel pit on Friday night. It was dark, transparent and steady enough to pick out a few faint objects I haven't seen before, and Lowell's C14 gave impressive views. When I lived in SLC I, too found it to be a convenient dark site. I recommend it for anyone who hasn't yet been there.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jay Eads Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 6:38 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry
I'll have to give the Gravel Pit a try sometime. I have a couple of sites up pass Guardsman Pass that I like but they will become unusable come winter. In terms of Lakeside and Rush Valley/Pit n Pole, I like both sites and Rush Valley is only a 40 to 45 minute drive for me. If humidity is up I can go up in elevation out there by Five Mile Pass which is a shorter drive and the two sites there are up and away from the main road, or pass the Pit n Pole site. Also to get out of the humidity there are a few sites above Provo that are okay and accessible come winter.
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I knew what you meant. Steve
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:25:40 -0700 From: josephmbauman@yahoo.com To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry
Oh nuts, what I was talking about in this post WASN'T the trouble with Lakeside, but about the gravel pit!!! Shows my age. Or my grogginess after yet another night spent at Lakeside. Sorry, friends. --- Joe
--- On Tue, 9/14/10, Steve FISHER <sfisher01@msn.com> wrote:
From: Steve FISHER <sfisher01@msn.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 5:56 PM
I don't know. I guess it is all personal preference. I enjoy Lakeside since it has a better Western horizon than the gravel pit (Quarry). That is one of it's pluses for me. I feel more comfortable driving home late at night on I-80 from the West than I do with the small road and I-80 through Parley's canyon. I'm sure like I said it is just personal preference. When you say "Lakeside has plenty of factors that detract from the experience" are you refering to us visual guys? I don't really think so but I thought I'd ask.;) Can you imagine how lucky we are to dispute which is the best "darker sky" location? Having so many within driving distance for one night of observing is something that hundreds if not thousands of folks like us would love to have. Steve
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:35:34 -0700 From: josephmbauman@yahoo.com To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry
What I don't like about Lakeside are the colder temps that come with the altitude, the occasional drunk local walking home (well, it happened once), mountains -- I'm a desert guy, light pollution that I think is worse than at Lakeside, gravel pit activity even though it's night, and setting up on either a public road or private property. Lakeside has plenty of factors that detract from the experience too, but in my wholly personal judgment it's preferable to the Gravel Pit. -- Joe
--- On Tue, 9/14/10, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
From: erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 8:26 AM
However Kim, we are closer to the Red Iguana than you are.
Hate to rub it in, but I've got several great sites, all of which are
superior to Rush Valley, the Gravel Pit and Lakeside, within a ten minute drive from my home. Even Skyline Drive is better than Wolf Creek Pass in some ways and I can get there in less than 30 minutes. I live right in town, yet just outside my front door the sky is darker than that at SPOC. On the downside, it's hard to make a living here. :-( However, as you may surmise, I do have my priorities in order.
As Lowell wrote earlier, he and I did indeed have a great time at the gravel pit on Friday night. It was dark, transparent and steady enough to pick out a few faint objects I haven't seen before, and Lowell's C14 gave impressive views. When I lived in SLC I, too found it to be a convenient dark site. I recommend it for anyone who hasn't yet been there.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jay Eads Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 6:38 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Brown's Canyon/Gravel Quarry
I'll have to give the Gravel Pit a try sometime. I have a couple of sites up pass Guardsman Pass that I like but they will become unusable come winter. In terms of Lakeside and Rush Valley/Pit n Pole, I like both sites and Rush Valley is only a 40 to 45 minute drive for me. If humidity is up I can go up in elevation out there by Five Mile Pass which is a shorter drive and the two sites there are up and away from the main road, or pass the Pit n Pole site. Also to get out of the humidity there are a few sites above Provo that are okay and accessible come winter.
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