I guess my main issue was that they kept running into the same old bad guys week after week. When you're making a beeline for home, I'd think you might run into NEW bad guys. If Janeway wasn't so pigheaded, she'd have pulled over and asked for directions...
Seriously, while I thought it an uninteresting series, my (at the time) very young daughter found a sort-of role-model in Capt. Janeway. If for no other reason than that, it was worth the electricity.
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Bahaahahaaa... She didn't need no stinkin' directions. ;) Chuck Hards wrote:
NOW you've done it...
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Michael posted it, I didn't!!! I was just ducking for cover... --- Cynthia Blue <leviblue@utahdogs.com> wrote:
Bahaahahaaa...
She didn't need no stinkin' directions. ;)
Chuck Hards wrote:
NOW you've done it...
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--- Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> wrote: <snip all> I don't know how this got this far OT, but here's my list of favorite NG episodes. The plot summaries are from some ST site I ran across a couple of years ago. The "Why I like it" line is my editorializing: Season 3, 1989-1990 ST NG Who Watches The Watchers? written by Richard Manning and Hans Beimler directed by Robert Wiemer music by Ron Jones Stardate 43173.5: A hidden outpost on a distant planet where Starfleet anthropologists are observing a primitive race of Vulcan-like beings is revealed after a mechanical malfunction, polluting the primitives' religious and ethical beliefs and causing one of them to identify Picard with God. Guest Cast: Kathryn Leigh Scott (Nuria), Ray Wise (Liko), James Greene (Dr. Barron), Pamela Segall (Oji), John McLiam (Fento), James McIntire (Hali), Lois Hall (Dr. Warren) Why I like it: Theme is whether humanity should follow faith or reason. How overreliance on faith over reason leads to the deterioration of the society through descent into hysterical non-scientific mysticism. Season 5, 1991-1992 Darmok teleplay by Joe Menosky story by Philip Lazebnik and Joe Menosky directed by Winrich Kolbe music by Jay Chattaway Stardate 45047.2: The Enterprise and a Tamarian ship rendezvous at El-Adrel IV and Tamarian Captain Dathon opens communications. The Tamarians speak incomprehensibly, using English words laced with names from their culture. After the contact fails, Dathon and his first officer argue over Dathon's statement, "Darmok and Jelad at Tenagra." Dathon vanishes, and Picard is kidnapped via transporter. Both are beamed to the planet, where Dathon attempts to communicate again. Picard deciphers the language, finding that it is based on Tamarian folklore and metaphors. "Darmok and Jelad at Tenagra" refers to two heroes who traveled separately to a distant island, defeated a mighty beast, and left together. El-Adrel is home to such a creature, and Dathon hopes that the Tamarians and the Federation can begin a friendship by likewise defeating a common enemy. When the beast attacks, Picard is immobilized by an attempt to rescue him through interference projected from the Tamarian ship, while Dathon is mortally wounded. Picard can now negotiate in the Tamarian language - if he survives the creature's next attack. Guest Cast: Paul Winfield (Captain Dathon), Richard Allen (Tamarian First Officer), Colm Meaney (O'Brien), Ashley Judd (Ensign Lefler), Majel Barrett (Computer Voice) Why I like it: How war can start from cultural miscommunication. Incorporates as a subplot and an dialogue element the _Epic of Gilgamesh_ - the pre-biblical Sumerian tale of the flood later rewritten into Chapter 1 of the Bible: Genesis. Season 5, 1991-1992 The Inner Light teleplay by Morgan Gendel and Peter Allan Fields story by Morgan Gendel directed by Peter Lauritson music by Jay Chattaway Stardate 45944.1: The Enterprise discovers an alien probe of unknown origin, which detects the Enterprise and sends a transmission. Picard is knocked unconscious. He "wakes up" as Kamin, an astronomer on the planet Kataan. As Kamin orients himself to life on this world with his wife Eline, he tries to make some attempts to locate the Enterprise, discovering in the process that Kataan faces imminent destruction from a sun about to go nova. Kamin ages yars, has children with Eline, watches old friends die and tries to convince people that their days on the planet are numbered. Meanwhile, on the Enterprise, where Picard has been unconscious for mere minutes, Riker is determined to break the probe's hold on Picard - but severing the link could kill Picard while he is still trapped in the mind of Kamin. Notes: Daniel Stewart, who plays the part of Kamin's son in this episode, is Patrick Stewart's real son. Many elements of this story are mentioned by Picard in the sixth season episode Lessons. Guest Cast: Margot Rose (Eline), Richard Riehle (Batai), Scott Jaeck (Administrator), Jennifer Nash (Meribor), Patti Yasutake (Nurse Ogawa), Daniel Stewart (Young Batai) Why I like it: Highlights that basic conflict in life: career or family. Season 4, 1990-1991 The Drumhead written by Jeri Taylor directed by Jonathan Frakes music by Ron Jones Stardate 44769.2: After an apparent sabotage of the Enterprise's warp drive committed by Klingon exchange officer J'Ddan, Starfleet sends Admiral Nora Satie out of retirement to investigate the possibility of a Klingon faction cooperating with Romulans. But Satie goes beyond that, accusing a shy junior crewman of Romulan collaboration and even accusing Captain Picard of aiding Romulans and the Borg. Notes: This episode begins a build-up to the season finale dealing with a possible Romulan-Klingon alliance. It was also the last episode of Next Generation to be scored by composer Ron Jones, who was fired by the producers for consistently disregarding instructions which Jones said were cramping his musical style. Guest Cast: Jean Simmons (Admiral Satie), Bruce French (Sabin Genestra), Spencer Garrett (Simon Tarses), Henry Woronicz (J'Ddan), Earl Billings (Admiral Thomas Henry), Ann Shea (Nellen) Why I like it: How hyper-patriotism and misrepresentation of facts is used by neocons to foster a climate of paranoia and fear that leads to war - 10 years before that war that we will leave unnamed. Season 6, 1992-1993 Chain Of Command - part II written by Frank Abatemarco directed by Les Landau music by Jay Chattaway Stardate 46360.8: Cardassian representative Gul Lemec reveals to Jellico that Picard has been captured on Celtris III. Under interrogation by Gul Madred, Picard is tortured in the Cardassians' attempt to find out more about the defenses of Minos Korva, a planet once sought by the Cardassians in their war with the Federation. On the Enterprise, Jellico prepares for all-out war in the event of a collapse of diplomatic relations, but meets with open disapproval from Riker. Jellico relieves Riker of his duties and continues to deny that Picard's mission was ordered by Starfleet, which disqualifies Picard from the terms of the Federation-Cardassian treaty concerning fair treatment of prisoners of war. Picard resists further torture but is pushed to the limits of his endurance while Gul Madred continues to question him about Minos Korva, of which Picard knows nothing. Meanwhile, Jellico confronts the Cardassians and calls their bluff after discovering a flotilla of their warships hiding near Minos Korva. He successfully demands a withdrawal and the release of Picard. Returned to the Enterprise, Picard resumes command, but all is not normal after his experience at the hands of the Cardassians. Guest Cast: David Warner (Gul Madred), Ronny Cox (Captain Jellico), John Durbin (Gul Lemec), Heather Lauren Olsen (Jil Orra), Majel Barrett (Computer Voice) Why I like it: Why governmental use of torture should always be outlawed - almost 10 years before Abu Gradi. Season 5, 1991-1992 The First Duty written by Ronald D. Moore and Naren Shankar directed by Paul Lynch music by Jay Chattaway Stardate 45703.9: The Enterprise is heading back to Earth so Picard may deliver Starfleet Academy's commencement address, and the crew is also looking forward to an aerial stunt display performed in orbit over Saturn by Nova Squadron, the Academy's elite flight group, including Wes Crusher. As the Enterprise arrives, news reaches Picard and Dr. Crusher that Nova Squadron's five planes have collided during a practice maneuver, injuring four of the pilots and killing one of them. An inquiry is launched into the accident, and squadron leader Locarno - backed up by Wes and the other cadets - testifies that blame lies on Cadet Joshua Albert, who died. Picard, while the investigation is underway, pays a visit to his old friend Boothby, the Academy gardener since Picard's days as a cadet. Wise old Boothby, and later Picard himself, begin to wonder if perhaps the surviving cadets of Nova Squadron aren't simply diverting the responsibility for their own mistake. Guest Cast: Wil Wheaton (Wesley Crusher), Jacqueline Brooks (Admiral Brand), Ray Walston (Boothby), Robert Duncan McNeill (Nicholas Locarno), Ed Lauter (Lt. Commander Albert), Richard Fancy (Captain Setalk), Walker Brandt (Hajar), Shannon Fill (Sito) Why I like it: Truth always is the first duty, but you gotta understand that truth also entails a personal cost. Personal cost comes with the territory. - Canopus56 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Actually I've posted very little on ST this time around, compared to some. I think the OS appeal for me was due in large part to the times, as well as my impressionable youth. I was much more receptive back then. While I once was a voracious reader and viewer of Sci-Fi in my youth and into my '20's, I am no longer a fan as an adult and don't touch the stuff with any regularity or enthusiasm. Watched about half the NG episodes, a third of DS9, a handful of Voyager, and absolutely NONE of Enterprise. My interest had completely died by then. Did the genre deteriorate? Hard to say. Did my tastes change? Obviously, but why? I am no longer as able to suspend disbelief and buy into the story lines, premises, often shaky science and speculative technology. May as well be about Smurfs- it's the same thing to me anymore. And I've had my fill of morality plays, too. You can only re-tell a parable so many times. Perhaps it was because of too many broken promises about the future. Mankind's wasted, unfulfilled potential as we expend our energies in continued self-destruction. Sci-Fi was also called "speculative fiction", but that description no longer applies at all. Clarke, Asimov, Van Vogt, Anderson, Heinlein, Weinbaum, Lesser, Del Rey, among a host of others- the writers of the Golden Age and Silver Age- wrote of a hopeful future, and one not too far off. Precious little of it has come to pass, the timeline has been, at best, stretched to far beyond my own lifetime. It just doesn't seem to be within the realm of possibility anymore. Modern writers are just too far removed from anything I'd ever experience to capture my attention. Or at least anything that I can now convince myself of perhaps experiencing. Too, there is the possibility that I'm just not sophisticated enough to appreciate it. In this case it could be "pearls before swine". Maybe I'm a hillbilly trying to relate to the stories in the New Yorker. This certainly would have surprised the young Chuck, but I now read non-fiction almost exclusively. My primary interest concerns real people, doing extraordinary things during a time and circumstance that will never be repeated in the course of human history. It has absolutely nothing to do with spaceflight, astronomy, cosmology, or SETI. I can feel a personal connection that is impossible with most Science writing or Sci-Fi. Real adventures, experienced by real people- common in one sense but extraordinary by virtue of circumstance- and there, but by the grace of God, go I. It could have been me. That starship trooper could not possibly have been me. OK, I'm done. Now off to my appointment with Cecil Lewis. --- Canopus56 <canopus56@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> wrote: <snip all>
I don't know how this got this far OT, but here's my list of favorite NG episodes.
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Not meaning to sound sexist, but I thought 7 of 9 (or as we jokingly referred to her in our house, 2 of 9) and a holographic doctor helped to make the show pretty interesting at times; every series had that foil (Spock, Data, T'Pal, etc.) that made for some interesting plots and plot twists. --- Cynthia Blue <leviblue@utahdogs.com> wrote:
Bahaahahaaa...
She didn't need no stinkin' directions. ;)
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NOW you've done it...
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I thought 7 was a great character, I liked seeing her change over the seasons. I'm sure most men liked her for other reasons. =) I also loved the doctor. To me, he carried the whole darn show. He was funny. Though I still don't really buy the whole 'holograms have feelings too' idea. =) Now the Dr is on Stargate.. and he's just a jerk, for the most part. I recently rented all the Voyager episodes from the library and watched them again. Currently I'm watching all the DS9 episodes. Gives me time to sit and relax and knit in the evenings. I never saw DS9 when it came out originally. I recently saw the tribble episode, where they went back in time and met Kirk. That was great! I loved the film editing. I don't think I'd watch TNG all over again, wasn't that keen on it. And I've seen TOS too many times. Cyn Richard Tenney wrote:
Not meaning to sound sexist, but I thought 7 of 9 (or as we jokingly referred to her in our house, 2 of 9) and a holographic doctor helped to make the show pretty interesting at times; every series had that foil (Spock, Data, T'Pal, etc.) that made for some interesting plots and plot twists.
--- Cynthia Blue <leviblue@utahdogs.com> wrote:
Bahaahahaaa...
She didn't need no stinkin' directions. ;)
Chuck Hards wrote:
NOW you've done it...
--- Michael Carnes <michaelcarnes@earthlink.net> wrote:
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Rich, you need to collimate those eyes, she's more like 8 of 10. And that's not being sexist, that's fact! ;) Quoting Richard Tenney <retenney@yahoo.com>:
Not meaning to sound sexist, but I thought 7 of 9 (or as we jokingly referred to her in our house, 2 of 9)
Allegedly it was Mark Dakins' sister that first coined the term 2 of 9; my wife and daughters thought it was pretty funny, and it stuck. And yeah, I think she's the only person in Starfleet to be issued high heels and a cat-suit that was spray-painted on her... :o) I'm actually an equal opportunity Trek fan; I confess I've enjoyed every one of the various spinoffs, including Enterprise; the odd relationship between Tripp and T'Pal was getting kinda fun before they pulled the plug on the show, darn it. And what made the original series so good was the writing; many big name, mainstream SF writers contributed. Capt. Kirk has certainly lost some of his lustre over the years... anyone remember T. J. Hooker? :-o Probably my least favorite Trek was DS9, and in fact I started to lose interest toward the end, and missed the last season, which, I'm told, ended up being the best part of the show, so one of these days I'll have to go back and watch them over again. I'm hoping they spin up another Trek series one of these days... I'm told by serveral people that Babylon 5 is good mainstream SciFi, but it's certainly not something you can jump in the middle of and enjoy (at least I couldn't). One of those shows you apparently have to watch from the beginning, in order. And of course Firefly/Serenity was outstanding; very sad that it didn't last longer. --- diveboss@xmission.com wrote: > Rich, you need to collimate those eyes, she's more > like 8 of 10. And that's > not being sexist, that's fact! ;) > > Quoting Richard Tenney <retenney@yahoo.com>: > > > Not meaning to sound sexist, but I thought 7 of 9 > (or > > as we jokingly referred to her in our house, 2 of > 9) > > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: > http://www.utahastronomy.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Richard Tenney wrote:
I'm hoping they spin up another Trek series one of these days...
It's not a spin off but previews for the 18 August episode of my current favorite Sci-Fi series, Star Gate SG-1, indicates that episode is going to include references to Star Trek. And speaking of current Sci-Fi series, anyone here have an opinion of the new series Eureka (http://www.scifi.com/eureka)? I'm lovin' it. Right from the beginning where it included a fun Einstein quote: "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. So is a lot." Patrick
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