Some of you know that I've been slowly accumulating the necessary items for digital imaging over the last few years. I finally settled on a camera. I must admit that I was just about to go the DSLR route, due largely to the wonderful work done by local astro-imager David Rankin. I will still explore that avenue as the budget allows (I love terrestrial photography too, being a long-time film shooter with my trusty old Pentax SLRs), but for my entry-level camera into the digital astro world, I took adavantage of a $100 discount and bought the Orion StarShoot Pro Deep Space Color Imaging Camera V2.0. I want to get the basics down and develop some skills with a color imager before I delve into mono and tri-color narrowband imaging, a year or three down the road. Based on the reviews I've read, this is a very good camera for the entry-level digital imager. The resolution is very good compared to less pricey beginners cameras, albeit at nearly 3 times the price, it's still much less expensive than the next step up the astro-camera foodchain, with similar resolution. The only remaining piece of hardware required is a new laptop, and I'm hoping Santa got my letter in time. ;-) I've been playing around with Registax and a Photoshop clone, getting the hang of image processing and manipulation. I need to delve into software more closely now that the equipment inventory is just about complete. Any advice or recommendations are welcome, thanks!
Chuck, I would like to know your results on that camera. I have been looking for an option with my lx200 10". I have used my dslr with ok results. Could be better if I spent more time with it. Also, the dslr doesn't work well with the scope and a 3.3 reducer. I will have to look up the orion as well. Smoke 'em if you gott 'em (ribs, brisket, etc.). Dale ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 11:25 AM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Astro camera Some of you know that I've been slowly accumulating the necessary items for digital imaging over the last few years. I finally settled on a camera. I must admit that I was just about to go the DSLR route, due largely to the wonderful work done by local astro-imager David Rankin. I will still explore that avenue as the budget allows (I love terrestrial photography too, being a long-time film shooter with my trusty old Pentax SLRs), but for my entry-level camera into the digital astro world, I took adavantage of a $100 discount and bought the Orion StarShoot Pro Deep Space Color Imaging Camera V2.0. I want to get the basics down and develop some skills with a color imager before I delve into mono and tri-color narrowband imaging, a year or three down the road. Based on the reviews I've read, this is a very good camera for the entry-level digital imager. The resolution is very good compared to less pricey beginners cameras, albeit at nearly 3 times the price, it's still much less expensive than the next step up the astro-camera foodchain, with similar resolution. The only remaining piece of hardware required is a new laptop, and I'm hoping Santa got my letter in time. ;-) I've been playing around with Registax and a Photoshop clone, getting the hang of image processing and manipulation. I need to delve into software more closely now that the equipment inventory is just about complete. Any advice or recommendations are welcome, thanks! _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
On 12/3/11, Dale Wilson <dalel2112@yahoo.com> wrote:
Chuck,
I would like to know your results on that camera. I have been looking for an option with my lx200 10". I have used my dslr with ok results. Could be better if I spent more time with it. Also, the dslr doesn't work well with the scope and a 3.3 reducer.
I will have to look up the orion as well.
Smoke 'em if you gott 'em (ribs, brisket, etc.).
Trout, turkey... ;-) As soon as I get useful info Dale, I'll pass it on. Once it warms up again, I'll be looking for on-site help under the stars, I'm sure. I'll take any pointers you can offer. I think the chip in many DSLR's is just too damn big for a focal-reduced image plane in most telescopes. You'd need an optical system with a HYOOGE, well-corrected FOV to make it work.
Chuck, I'd go for the SBIG 8300 camera for $1800. I always see people upgrading to that camera after they buy the Orion unit. From what I have read, it is a lot easier to use than a DSLR camera. It has the added sensitivity and cooling that is needed in astrophotography. I tried DSLR cameras a few years ago and found it hard and frustrating. I'm not ready to do astrophotography yet but when I do I'm going with a cooled CCD camera with good support and help. Plus, in my climate I definitely need cooling capacity. There are some good reviews on the OPT website. I also had a good talk with the SBIG guy (forgot his name) at ALCON 2011 this summer. Debbie On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/3/11, Dale Wilson <dalel2112@yahoo.com> wrote:
Chuck,
I would like to know your results on that camera. I have been looking for an option with my lx200 10". I have used my dslr with ok results. Could be better if I spent more time with it. Also, the dslr doesn't work well with the scope and a 3.3 reducer.
I will have to look up the orion as well.
Smoke 'em if you gott 'em (ribs, brisket, etc.).
Trout, turkey... ;-)
As soon as I get useful info Dale, I'll pass it on. Once it warms up again, I'll be looking for on-site help under the stars, I'm sure. I'll take any pointers you can offer.
I think the chip in many DSLR's is just too damn big for a focal-reduced image plane in most telescopes. You'd need an optical system with a HYOOGE, well-corrected FOV to make it work.
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If I ever scrape the cash together I'm going for the SBIG monochrome 8300, plus filters and filter wheel. It's pricy for me and I have no idea when I'll be able to afford it. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Debbie <astrodeb@beyondbb.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astro camera Chuck, I'd go for the SBIG 8300 camera for $1800. I always see people upgrading to that camera after they buy the Orion unit. From what I have read, it is a lot easier to use than a DSLR camera. It has the added sensitivity and cooling that is needed in astrophotography. I tried DSLR cameras a few years ago and found it hard and frustrating. I'm not ready to do astrophotography yet but when I do I'm going with a cooled CCD camera with good support and help. Plus, in my climate I definitely need cooling capacity. There are some good reviews on the OPT website. I also had a good talk with the SBIG guy (forgot his name) at ALCON 2011 this summer. Debbie On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/3/11, Dale Wilson <dalel2112@yahoo.com> wrote:
Chuck,
I would like to know your results on that camera. I have been looking for an option with my lx200 10". I have used my dslr with ok results. Could be better if I spent more time with it. Also, the dslr doesn't work well with the scope and a 3.3 reducer.
I will have to look up the orion as well.
Smoke 'em if you gott 'em (ribs, brisket, etc.).
Trout, turkey... ;-)
As soon as I get useful info Dale, I'll pass it on. Once it warms up again, I'll be looking for on-site help under the stars, I'm sure. I'll take any pointers you can offer.
I think the chip in many DSLR's is just too damn big for a focal-reduced image plane in most telescopes. You'd need an optical system with a HYOOGE, well-corrected FOV to make it work.
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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
If I ever scrape the cash together I'm going for the SBIG monochrome 8300, plus filters and filter wheel. It's pricy for me and I have no idea when I'll be able to afford it. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Debbie <astrodeb@beyondbb.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astro camera
Chuck,
I'd go for the SBIG 8300 camera for $1800. I always see people upgrading to that camera after they buy the Orion unit. From what I have read, it is a lot easier to use than a DSLR camera. It has the added sensitivity and cooling that is needed in astrophotography. I tried DSLR cameras a few years ago and found it hard and frustrating. I'm not ready to do astrophotography yet but when I do I'm going with a cooled CCD camera with good support and help. Plus, in my climate I definitely need cooling capacity. There are some good reviews on the OPT website. I also had a good talk with the SBIG guy (forgot his name) at ALCON 2011 this summer.
Debbie
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/3/11, Dale Wilson <dalel2112@yahoo.com> wrote:
Chuck,
I would like to know your results on that camera. I have been looking for an option with my lx200 10". I have used my dslr with ok results. Could be better if I spent more time with it. Also, the dslr doesn't work well with the scope and a 3.3 reducer.
I will have to look up the orion as well.
Smoke 'em if you gott 'em (ribs, brisket, etc.).
Trout, turkey... ;-)
As soon as I get useful info Dale, I'll pass it on. Once it warms up again, I'll be looking for on-site help under the stars, I'm sure. I'll take any pointers you can offer.
I think the chip in many DSLR's is just too damn big for a focal-reduced image plane in most telescopes. You'd need an optical system with a HYOOGE, well-corrected FOV to make it work.
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Does anyone know if any of the new larger sensor CCD cameras are NABG (like the Kodak sensors used in the ST-8 and ST-10, etc.)? Clear skies, Dale.
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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
If I ever scrape the cash together I'm going for the SBIG monochrome 8300, plus filters and filter wheel. It's pricy for me and I have no idea when I'll be able to afford it. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Debbie <astrodeb@beyondbb.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astro camera
Chuck,
I'd go for the SBIG 8300 camera for $1800. I always see people upgrading to that camera after they buy the Orion unit. From what I have read, it is a lot easier to use than a DSLR camera. It has the added sensitivity and cooling that is needed in astrophotography. I tried DSLR cameras a few years ago and found it hard and frustrating. I'm not ready to do astrophotography yet but when I do I'm going with a cooled CCD camera with good support and help. Plus, in my climate I definitely need cooling capacity. There are some good reviews on the OPT website. I also had a good talk with the SBIG guy (forgot his name) at ALCON 2011 this summer.
Debbie
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/3/11, Dale Wilson <dalel2112@yahoo.com> wrote:
Chuck,
I would like to know your results on that camera. I have been looking for an option with my lx200 10". I have used my dslr with ok results. Could be better if I spent more time with it. Also, the dslr doesn't work well with the scope and a 3.3 reducer.
I will have to look up the orion as well.
Smoke 'em if you gott 'em (ribs, brisket, etc.).
Trout, turkey... ;-)
As soon as I get useful info Dale, I'll pass it on. Once it warms up again, I'll be looking for on-site help under the stars, I'm sure. I'll take any pointers you can offer.
I think the chip in many DSLR's is just too damn big for a focal-reduced image plane in most telescopes. You'd need an optical system with a HYOOGE, well-corrected FOV to make it work.
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I know what you mean Chuck and Joe. I almost bought a used Orion Starshoot V2 CCD camera but decided to use the money for a pontoon boat. I now have two addictions, fishing and astronomy. Now I'm thinking of selling my plasma for some extra cash. I'm thinking of buying a used G11 tripod for my GM-8 mount to give more stability to the mount. This all adds up. By the way, would it be better to get Windows 7 to replace my Windows Vista 64 bit? On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Dale Hooper <Dale.Hooper@sdl.usu.edu> wrote:
Does anyone know if any of the new larger sensor CCD cameras are NABG (like the Kodak sensors used in the ST-8 and ST-10, etc.)?
Clear skies, Dale.
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On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
If I ever scrape the cash together I'm going for the SBIG monochrome 8300, plus filters and filter wheel. It's pricy for me and I have no idea when I'll be able to afford it. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Debbie <astrodeb@beyondbb.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astro camera
Chuck,
I'd go for the SBIG 8300 camera for $1800. I always see people upgrading to that camera after they buy the Orion unit. From what I have read, it is a lot easier to use than a DSLR camera. It has the added sensitivity and cooling that is needed in astrophotography. I tried DSLR cameras a few years ago and found it hard and frustrating. I'm not ready to do astrophotography yet but when I do I'm going with a cooled CCD camera with good support and help. Plus, in my climate I definitely need cooling capacity. There are some good reviews on the OPT website. I also had a good talk with the SBIG guy (forgot his name) at ALCON 2011 this summer.
Debbie
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/3/11, Dale Wilson <dalel2112@yahoo.com> wrote:
Chuck,
I would like to know your results on that camera. I have been looking for an option with my lx200 10". I have used my dslr with ok results. Could be better if I spent more time with it. Also, the dslr doesn't work well with the scope and a 3.3 reducer.
I will have to look up the orion as well.
Smoke 'em if you gott 'em (ribs, brisket, etc.).
Trout, turkey... ;-)
As soon as I get useful info Dale, I'll pass it on. Once it warms up again, I'll be looking for on-site help under the stars, I'm sure. I'll take any pointers you can offer.
I think the chip in many DSLR's is just too damn big for a focal-reduced image plane in most telescopes. You'd need an optical system with a HYOOGE, well-corrected FOV to make it work.
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On 12/5/11, Debbie <astrodeb@beyondbb.com> wrote:
I know what you mean Chuck and Joe. I almost bought a used Orion Starshoot V2 CCD camera but decided to use the money for a pontoon boat.
That's totally weird, Debbie. A pontoon boat is on my list, too! I was just talking to a guy here at work who's dad gave him one that was only used once, and he doesn't want it either because he has a regular boat. Trying to see if he'll let me make payments... ;-) This astro imaging stuff is a lot more expensive that it was back in the days of film emulsions. I may go back to just making oil paintings at the eyepiece, lol.
Just a reminder that SLAS has an SBIG ST-6 available for loan to current SLAS members. patrick On 05 Dec 2011, at 12:43, Joe Bauman wrote:
If I ever scrape the cash together I'm going for the SBIG monochrome 8300, plus filters and filter wheel. It's pricy for me and I have no idea when I'll be able to afford it. -- Joe
I just found this nice image on the William Optics yahoo group. This Pac Man nebula was taken with the SBIG mono 8300 camera http://www.pbase.com/tom_arrington/image/140005133 I may go with a nice lightly used 8300 color then buy a reducer and photoshop software. Photoshop is a necessity with astrophotography right? Debbie On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com>wrote:
Just a reminder that SLAS has an SBIG ST-6 available for loan to current SLAS members.
patrick
On 05 Dec 2011, at 12:43, Joe Bauman wrote:
If I ever scrape the cash together I'm going for the SBIG monochrome 8300, plus filters and filter wheel. It's pricy for me and I have no idea when I'll be able to afford it. -- Joe
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Hi Debbie, No, Photoshop isn't necessary; SBIG gives a free program with the purchase of a camera. I use MaxIm DL, however. It's one I bought and downloaded, if I remember correctly. I belong to an SBIG users group and some of the photos posted there are stunning. Of course, many of these guys have telescopes that cost as much as a car. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Debbie <astrodeb@beyondbb.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astro camera I just found this nice image on the William Optics yahoo group. This Pac Man nebula was taken with the SBIG mono 8300 camera http://www.pbase.com/tom_arrington/image/140005133 I may go with a nice lightly used 8300 color then buy a reducer and photoshop software. Photoshop is a necessity with astrophotography right? Debbie On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com>wrote:
Just a reminder that SLAS has an SBIG ST-6 available for loan to current SLAS members.
patrick
On 05 Dec 2011, at 12:43, Joe Bauman wrote:
If I ever scrape the cash together I'm going for the SBIG monochrome 8300, plus filters and filter wheel. It's pricy for me and I have no idea when I'll be able to afford it. -- Joe
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On 12/5/11, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Just a reminder that SLAS has an SBIG ST-6 available for loan to current SLAS members.
I'd hate to monopolize it. With my schedule, I'd use it for one night, then it would be days or weeks before I got around to processing my images. Might be months before I could get the time to go out with it again and re-shoot my mistakes. I need a camera that's always here, ready, when I need it, on a moment's notice. But good to know, for most members, thanks!
It's also for sale. Make offer. patrick On 05 Dec 2011, at 17:16, Chuck Hards wrote:
On 12/5/11, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Just a reminder that SLAS has an SBIG ST-6 available for loan to current SLAS members.
I'd hate to monopolize it. With my schedule, I'd use it for one night, then it would be days or weeks before I got around to processing my images. Might be months before I could get the time to go out with it again and re-shoot my mistakes.
I need a camera that's always here, ready, when I need it, on a moment's notice.
But good to know, for most members, thanks!
Patrick, alas, mine has already arrived, and it has zero miles on it with a one-year warranty. Wayne, sounds great! First things first. We need to get that stepper motor problem resolved. I'll be using mine with my CGEM and autoguider and you are most welcome to come along and keep me from hurting myself. ;-) I have a dual-scope dovetail adapter for the mount (Losmandy style dovetail). Might be cool to image with two scopes at the same time, actually. Two different image scales on each object. Hedging our bets, as it were.
$2! ________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astro camera It's also for sale. Make offer. patrick On 05 Dec 2011, at 17:16, Chuck Hards wrote:
On 12/5/11, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Just a reminder that SLAS has an SBIG ST-6 available for loan to current SLAS members.
I'd hate to monopolize it. With my schedule, I'd use it for one night, then it would be days or weeks before I got around to processing my images. Might be months before I could get the time to go out with it again and re-shoot my mistakes.
I need a camera that's always here, ready, when I need it, on a moment's notice.
But good to know, for most members, thanks!
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$3.00! On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
$2!
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It's also for sale. Make offer.
patrick
On 05 Dec 2011, at 17:16, Chuck Hards wrote:
On 12/5/11, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Just a reminder that SLAS has an SBIG ST-6 available for loan to current SLAS members.
I'd hate to monopolize it. With my schedule, I'd use it for one night, then it would be days or weeks before I got around to processing my images. Might be months before I could get the time to go out with it again and re-shoot my mistakes.
I need a camera that's always here, ready, when I need it, on a moment's notice.
But good to know, for most members, thanks!
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$4! ________________________________ From: Jay Eads <jayleads@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astro camera $3.00! On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
$2!
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It's also for sale. Make offer.
patrick
On 05 Dec 2011, at 17:16, Chuck Hards wrote:
On 12/5/11, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Just a reminder that SLAS has an SBIG ST-6 available for loan to current SLAS members.
I'd hate to monopolize it. With my schedule, I'd use it for one night, then it would be days or weeks before I got around to processing my images. Might be months before I could get the time to go out with it again and re-shoot my mistakes.
I need a camera that's always here, ready, when I need it, on a moment's notice.
But good to know, for most members, thanks!
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Sorry guys, nice tries, but while the board is willing to let it go pretty cheap the last time it was discussed they were talking in the $250 range. patrick On 05 Dec 2011, at 21:44, Joe Bauman wrote:
$4!
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$3.00!
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
$2!
On 12/6/11, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Sorry guys, nice tries, but while the board is willing to let it go pretty cheap the last time it was discussed they were talking in the $250 range.
Why don't you ask Ken to put up a Classifieds section on the SLAS website? Or at least a section where the board could post club property for sale.
There already is a classified section on the SLAS website. Steve
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:43:53 -0700 From: chuck.hards@gmail.com To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astro camera
On 12/6/11, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Sorry guys, nice tries, but while the board is willing to let it go pretty cheap the last time it was discussed they were talking in the $250 range.
Why don't you ask Ken to put up a Classifieds section on the SLAS website? Or at least a section where the board could post club property for sale.
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Who can tell me what's the longest practical length for the USB camera-to-computer cable? Ten feet seems awfully short, escpially if I use this in an eventual observatory.
The USB 1.1 spec states a maximum length of 3 meters for low-speed devices and 5 meters for full-speed. The USB 2.0 spec also states a maximum cable length of 5 meters. There are various types of repeaters to allow for much longer distances, it all depends on how much you are willing to spend. For a home to observatory, the USB over Ethernet type adapters would give you several hundred feet for about $50 + cable. Rich On 12/6/2011 7:32 AM, Chuck Hards wrote:
Who can tell me what's the longest practical length for the USB camera-to-computer cable? Ten feet seems awfully short, escpially if I use this in an eventual observatory.
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Like Rich mentions in his post you can use Ethernet extenders or you can use USB 2.0 active extenders. I use one in my observatory to get about 30 feet via USB 2.0. Here is a link to some active extenders available through Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=usb+active+extension+cable&tag=goo... Clear skies, Dale.
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah- astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rich Allen Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 8:01 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astro camera
The USB 1.1 spec states a maximum length of 3 meters for low-speed devices and 5 meters for full-speed. The USB 2.0 spec also states a maximum cable length of 5 meters. There are various types of repeaters to allow for much longer distances, it all depends on how much you are willing to spend. For a home to observatory, the USB over Ethernet type adapters would give you several hundred feet for about $50 + cable.
Rich
On 12/6/2011 7:32 AM, Chuck Hards wrote:
Who can tell me what's the longest practical length for the USB camera-to-computer cable? Ten feet seems awfully short, escpially if I use this in an eventual observatory.
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On 12/6/11, Dale Hooper <Dale.Hooper@sdl.usu.edu> wrote:
Like Rich mentions in his post you can use Ethernet extenders or you can use USB 2.0 active extenders. I use one in my observatory to get about 30 feet via USB 2.0.
I was just noticing the 10 meter active extender on Amazon, Dale. That should certainly work. It's A to A so I'd still need to plug in the 10 foot B to A that comes with the camera. Thanks guys!
I've used 16' USB cords and they work fine. However they are very difficult to find. You can get connectors and string a couple of cords together rather than try to get a single long cord which, like I said, are hard to find. I see no reason why 20" would not work, longer might be problematic as the signal will degrade, result will probably be slower speeds, which, depending on what you need it for, might be OK. I routinely string 10' and 6' cords together with no problem. With several 10' cords (3 or 4) strung together you can shorten the length as needed if signal strength deteriorates too far. Bob -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:32 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astro camera Who can tell me what's the longest practical length for the USB camera-to-computer cable? Ten feet seems awfully short, escpially if I use this in an eventual observatory. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
If you have never seen it before. Check out http://www.monoprice.com/ from all I have heard a very reputable company who know that something like a HDMI cable is a cable not an investment. I purchased a 15' HDMI cable for 33% of what the local Best Buy sells a 3' for. It didn't come in a beautiful package with gold lettering but it works perfectly. Steve
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I've used 16' USB cords and they work fine. However they are very difficult to find. You can get connectors and string a couple of cords together rather than try to get a single long cord which, like I said, are hard to find. I see no reason why 20" would not work, longer might be problematic as the signal will degrade, result will probably be slower speeds, which, depending on what you need it for, might be OK. I routinely string 10' and 6' cords together with no problem. With several 10' cords (3 or 4) strung together you can shorten the length as needed if signal strength deteriorates too far.
Bob
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:32 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astro camera
Who can tell me what's the longest practical length for the USB camera-to-computer cable? Ten feet seems awfully short, escpially if I use this in an eventual observatory.
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On 12/6/11, Steve Fisher <iotacass1@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you have never seen it before. Check out http://www.monoprice.com/ from all I have heard a very reputable company who know that something like a HDMI cable is a cable not an investment. I purchased a 15' HDMI cable for 33% of what the local Best Buy sells a 3' for. It didn't come in a beautiful package with gold lettering but it works perfectly. Steve
Thanks Steve, I'll check them out. I buy my HDMI cables from Harbor Freight, when a coupon comes in the mail. 6' cable for something like $6. Last time I got as many as the coupon was good for, still have a few in storage unless the kid got to my stash. 12' for $11.
That is what I'm talking about! Harbor Freight is much closer to actual value. $39.95 for a 3' HDMI is just not something I'm going to pay. (frugal, not cheap) Steve From: chuck.hards@gmail.com
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On 12/6/11, Steve Fisher <iotacass1@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you have never seen it before. Check out http://www.monoprice.com/ from all I have heard a very reputable company who know that something like a HDMI cable is a cable not an investment. I purchased a 15' HDMI cable for 33% of what the local Best Buy sells a 3' for. It didn't come in a beautiful package with gold lettering but it works perfectly. Steve
Thanks Steve, I'll check them out.
I buy my HDMI cables from Harbor Freight, when a coupon comes in the mail. 6' cable for something like $6. Last time I got as many as the coupon was good for, still have a few in storage unless the kid got to my stash. 12' for $11.
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I've bought lots of various things from mono price, they are very reputable. One other thing to consider, if you have an older laptop or other computer to dedicate to the job, you can put it close to the camera, and then remote in from the main computer. The Ethernet USB extenders also work very well. Haven't tried using them with the power line Ethernet adapters, but that also might be a way to work the scope from the comfort of your couch during the cold weather. Dan -- Sent from my iPod. Please excuse any mispelings or errors. On Dec 6, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Steve Fisher <iotacass1@hotmail.com> wrote:
That is what I'm talking about! Harbor Freight is much closer to actual value. $39.95 for a 3' HDMI is just not something I'm going to pay. (frugal, not cheap) Steve From: chuck.hards@gmail.com
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On 12/6/11, Steve Fisher <iotacass1@hotmail.com> wrote:
If you have never seen it before. Check out http://www.monoprice.com/ from all I have heard a very reputable company who know that something like a HDMI cable is a cable not an investment. I purchased a 15' HDMI cable for 33% of what the local Best Buy sells a 3' for. It didn't come in a beautiful package with gold lettering but it works perfectly. Steve
Thanks Steve, I'll check them out.
I buy my HDMI cables from Harbor Freight, when a coupon comes in the mail. 6' cable for something like $6. Last time I got as many as the coupon was good for, still have a few in storage unless the kid got to my stash. 12' for $11.
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On 12/6/11, Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> wrote:
One other thing to consider, if you have an older laptop or other computer to dedicate to the job, you can put it close to the camera, and then remote in from the main computer.
My old computer isn't up to the job, I'm getting a new laptop to facilitate field use and will use it for the time being. The old computer will probably get used as a door-stop after that. The observatory is still some time off, but I can set-up the imaging telescope on my back patio and run the cable into the house if the weather is cold. I can use a much larger monitor that way, as well (up to 50").
That caught me by surprise, Patrick. I had no idea...... 73 and TU! lh On 12/5/2011 3:27 PM, Patrick Wiggins wrote:
Just a reminder that SLAS has an SBIG ST-6 available for loan to current SLAS members.
patrick
On 05 Dec 2011, at 12:43, Joe Bauman wrote:
If I ever scrape the cash together I'm going for the SBIG monochrome 8300, plus filters and filter wheel. It's pricy for me and I have no idea when I'll be able to afford it. -- Joe
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On 12/5/11, Debbie <astrodeb@beyondbb.com> wrote:
Chuck,
I'd go for the SBIG 8300 camera for $1800. I always see people upgrading to that camera after they buy the Orion unit.
I looked at SBIG and several other cameras, but I'm on the pay-as-you-go plan, Debbie. The extra $600 would have pushed the camera purchase out at least 6 to 8 more months.
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