Lets just ask the aliens what they use for shielding in their flying saucers. Deloy
The designs exist, but they are costly and massive, meaning energy-hungry to move around. Water makes a dandy shield but nobody has the cash to send an olympic-sized swimming pool to Mars. That was where I was going with my comment about spacecraft being the size of navy ships. We still have the mindset of sending Winnebagos to Mars, instead of a passenger locomotive. It's all the public is willing to fund. On the other hand, spend half of the military budget on space exploration, and now we're talking about the beginnings of a real space fleet that could cover a lot of real-estate. On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 3:46 PM, D P Pierce <starsbirdsglyphs@gmail.com>wrote:
Lets just ask the aliens what they use for shielding in their flying saucers.
Last I checked, they aren't doing anything with the Yamato... I've read lots of plans to line spacecraft with everything from water, to waste products, to using an asteroid. I'm not sure what the answer is, but for now, I think we are a planetbound species. We'd need not only a large leap in technology to create a generational ship, but an extinction level event (like an asteroid) to trigger enough people to care... Dan On Sep 22, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
The designs exist, but they are costly and massive, meaning energy-hungry to move around. Water makes a dandy shield but nobody has the cash to send an olympic-sized swimming pool to Mars. That was where I was going with my comment about spacecraft being the size of navy ships. We still have the mindset of sending Winnebagos to Mars, instead of a passenger locomotive.
It's all the public is willing to fund. On the other hand, spend half of the military budget on space exploration, and now we're talking about the beginnings of a real space fleet that could cover a lot of real-estate.
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 3:46 PM, D P Pierce <starsbirdsglyphs@gmail.com>wrote:
Lets just ask the aliens what they use for shielding in their flying saucers.
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There are always going to weight restraints, physics not money is the limiting factor.
The designs exist, but they are costly and massive, meaning energy-hungry to move around. Water makes a dandy shield but nobody has the cash to send an olympic-sized swimming pool to Mars. That was where I was going with my comment about spacecraft being the size of navy ships. We still have the mindset of sending Winnebagos to Mars, instead of a passenger locomotive.
It's all the public is willing to fund. On the other hand, spend half of the military budget on space exploration, and now we're talking about the beginnings of a real space fleet that could cover a lot of real-estate.
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 3:46 PM, D P Pierce <starsbirdsglyphs@gmail.com>wrote:
Lets just ask the aliens what they use for shielding in their flying saucers.
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This is the disconnect I mentioned with Joe. You all are talking about missions in the short-term. I'm talking about developing technology first. The mission hardware will be cheaper and better as the technology improves. The current missions planned could be cut way back and the money put into R&D instead. I'm in no hurry to hear biology reports from Europa or similar. It will happen when the time is right. 20, 50, 100 years from now, no worries. On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
There are always going to weight restraints, physics not money is the limiting factor.
blah blah
This is the disconnect I mentioned with Joe. You all are talking about
missions in the short-term. I'm talking about developing technology first. The mission hardware will be cheaper and better as the technology improves. The current missions planned could be cut way back and the money put into R&D instead. I'm in no hurry to hear biology reports from Europa or similar. It will happen when the time is right. 20, 50, 100 years from now, no worries.
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
There are always going to weight restraints, physics not money is the limiting factor.
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Chuck, i think everyone is saying we need more R&D before a Mars Mission is possible. if you are waiting for spaceships the size of battleships, well i wonder who us disconnected.
This is the disconnect I mentioned with Joe. You all are talking about
missions in the short-term. I'm talking about developing technology first. The mission hardware will be cheaper and better as the technology improves. The current missions planned could be cut way back and the money put into R&D instead. I'm in no hurry to hear biology reports from Europa or similar. It will happen when the time is right. 20, 50, 100 years from now, no worries.
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
There are always going to weight restraints, physics not money is the limiting factor.
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Jesus, you can't tell the difference between musing and actual suggestion, and you're missing my points as widely as Joe is. The disconnect was between myself and Joe, and apparently you, because we aren't even communicating. Both of you don't really take the time to understand what's posted, and can't wait to jump on the personal attacks. I'm done with this list for a while. Turning off list postings so I don't have to take the abuse. Both of you, don't bother replying. I won't be able to read it and wouldn't care to anyway. You know everything and only your opinion counts. Everyone else deserves insults apparently. On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Chuck, i think everyone is saying we need more R&D before a Mars Mission is possible. if you are waiting for spaceships the size of battleships, well i wonder who us disconnected.
This is the disconnect I mentioned with Joe. You all are talking about
missions in the short-term. I'm talking about developing technology first. The mission hardware will be cheaper and better as the technology improves. The current missions planned could be cut way back and the money put into R&D instead. I'm in no hurry to hear biology reports from Europa or similar. It will happen when the time is right. 20, 50, 100 years from now, no worries.
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
There are always going to weight restraints, physics not money is the limiting factor.
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wow..... Jesus, you can't tell the difference between musing and actual suggestion, and you're missing my points as widely as Joe is. The disconnect was between myself and Joe, and apparently you, because we aren't even communicating.
Both of you don't really take the time to understand what's posted, and can't wait to jump on the personal attacks.
I'm done with this list for a while. Turning off list postings so I don't have to take the abuse.
Both of you, don't bother replying. I won't be able to read it and wouldn't care to anyway. You know everything and only your opinion counts. Everyone else deserves insults apparently.
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
Chuck, i think everyone is saying we need more R&D before a Mars Mission is possible. if you are waiting for spaceships the size of battleships, well i wonder who us disconnected.
This is the disconnect I mentioned with Joe. You all are talking about
missions in the short-term. I'm talking about developing technology first. The mission hardware will be cheaper and better as the technology improves. The current missions planned could be cut way back and the money put into R&D instead. I'm in no hurry to hear biology reports from Europa or similar. It will happen when the time is right. 20, 50, 100 years from now, no worries.
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen@thebluezone.net>wrote:
There are always going to weight restraints, physics not money is the limiting factor.
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They could shield for radiation but it would be to heavy, having enough water has also yet to be solved. A manned Mars mission is a space ship to no where, unmanned missions are the best option.
Lets just ask the aliens what they use for shielding in their flying
saucers.
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