Re: [Utah-astronomy] Navigation Arrow: St. George
Nice pics, Dave. I really like the info on the plaque too. -- Joe ------------------------------ On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 7:14 PM MDT Dave Gary wrote:
Here’s that navigation arrow near my house in St. George. Drove up to it in a couple of minutes and took these photos. This one has a monument. http://www.flickr.com/photos/78046474@N06/sets/72157635281617142/
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Joe, Yeah, I guess these guys down here were a little more primitive and didn’t have the electrical hookup. They used coal oil lighting. I wonder how they had that set up? Did they run the lantern 24/7? If not, who went up and lit it every night? Did they have a gravity-feed system from a large barrel of coal oil, so they didn’t have to worry about the unit running out of fuel in a few hours or days? Enquiring minds want to know. Of course, not enough to dig for the answer. I’ve only seen coal oil being used on old “Gunsmoke” episodes. Dave On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Nice pics, Dave. I really like the info on the plaque too. -- Joe
------------------------------ On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 7:14 PM MDT Dave Gary wrote:
Here’s that navigation arrow near my house in St. George. Drove up to it in a couple of minutes and took these photos. This one has a monument. http://www.flickr.com/photos/78046474@N06/sets/72157635281617142/
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Dave, very nice pics. Neat to have one so close to your house. As Chuck said, "first there was the dirigible".....well. when we moved from CA to OR on '42, the house had no electricity. So to me coal oil/kerosene lamps were a standard. They gave off enough light to see to move about a room, but not satisfactory for reading. My father bought (or maybe it was already there) an Aladdin (magic lamp?) that was much taller than a standard wick-type lamp. It still had a wick to light, but also had a mantle as do the Coleman camp lanterns. It gave a bright light, (I seen to remember you did not want to look directly at the mantle for very long) but was very good for reading. It always sat in the middle of the dinner table and that is where I did my homework. My dad purchased a Delco Remy system at a later time, I would have to say after the end of WWII, as I would guess they were not available until after the war effort. I don't know tho, as we arrived in OR with an olive drab TD-6 crawler tractor, and I was never privy to the details of that transaction. BTW, it was just the 3rd crawler in the county at that time. Carol & I still have several wick lamps for use when the power goes off. I believe I have already mentioned we also had a Servil refrig that used kerosene with a circular wick of some 4" to 6" diameter. Was not very large, but sure beat using ice as most people did. As for the lighting of the arrows, I would doubt they ran 24/7. 73 On 8/29/2013 9:11 AM, Dave Gary wrote:
Joe,
Yeah, I guess these guys down here were a little more primitive and didn’t have the electrical hookup. They used coal oil lighting. I wonder how they had that set up? Did they run the lantern 24/7? If not, who went up and lit it every night? Did they have a gravity-feed system from a large barrel of coal oil, so they didn’t have to worry about the unit running out of fuel in a few hours or days? Enquiring minds want to know. Of course, not enough to dig for the answer. I’ve only seen coal oil being used on old “Gunsmoke” episodes.
Dave On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dave, Given the remote locations of many of the arrows, I doubt that electrical lines would have gone out to some. Probably a lot of them ran on coal oil. Maybe sometimes a person lived on site to tend it, like a lighthouse. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Navigation Arrow: St. George Dave, very nice pics. Neat to have one so close to your house. As Chuck said, "first there was the dirigible".....well. when we moved from CA to OR on '42, the house had no electricity. So to me coal oil/kerosene lamps were a standard. They gave off enough light to see to move about a room, but not satisfactory for reading. My father bought (or maybe it was already there) an Aladdin (magic lamp?) that was much taller than a standard wick-type lamp. It still had a wick to light, but also had a mantle as do the Coleman camp lanterns. It gave a bright light, (I seen to remember you did not want to look directly at the mantle for very long) but was very good for reading. It always sat in the middle of the dinner table and that is where I did my homework. My dad purchased a Delco Remy system at a later time, I would have to say after the end of WWII, as I would guess they were not available until after the war effort. I don't know tho, as we arrived in OR with an olive drab TD-6 crawler tractor, and I was never privy to the details of that transaction. BTW, it was just the 3rd crawler in the county at that time. Carol & I still have several wick lamps for use when the power goes off. I believe I have already mentioned we also had a Servil refrig that used kerosene with a circular wick of some 4" to 6" diameter. Was not very large, but sure beat using ice as most people did. As for the lighting of the arrows, I would doubt they ran 24/7. 73 On 8/29/2013 9:11 AM, Dave Gary wrote:
Joe,
Yeah, I guess these guys down here were a little more primitive and didn’t have the electrical hookup. They used coal oil lighting. I wonder how they had that set up? Did they run the lantern 24/7? If not, who went up and lit it every night? Did they have a gravity-feed system from a large barrel of coal oil, so they didn’t have to worry about the unit running out of fuel in a few hours or days? Enquiring minds want to know. Of course, not enough to dig for the answer. I’ve only seen coal oil being used on old “Gunsmoke” episodes.
Dave On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Joe, if you read the article Beverly linked to, you would know that most were powered by on-site generators. On Aug 29, 2013 2:37 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dave, Given the remote locations of many of the arrows, I doubt that electrical lines would have gone out to some. Probably a lot of them ran on coal oil. Maybe sometimes a person lived on site to tend it, like a lighthouse. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Navigation Arrow: St. George
Dave, very nice pics. Neat to have one so close to your house. As Chuck said, "first there was the dirigible".....well. when we moved from CA to OR on '42, the house had no electricity. So to me coal oil/kerosene lamps were a standard. They gave off enough light to see to move about a room, but not satisfactory for reading. My father bought (or maybe it was already there) an Aladdin (magic lamp?) that was much taller than a standard wick-type lamp. It still had a wick to light, but also had a mantle as do the Coleman camp lanterns. It gave a bright light, (I seen to remember you did not want to look directly at the mantle for very long) but was very good for reading. It always sat in the middle of the dinner table and that is where I did my homework. My dad purchased a Delco Remy system at a later time, I would have to say after the end of WWII, as I would guess they were not available until after the war effort. I don't know tho, as we arrived in OR with an olive drab TD-6 crawler tractor, and I was never privy to the details of that transaction. BTW, it was just the 3rd crawler in the county at that time. Carol & I still have several wick lamps for use when the power goes off. I believe I have already mentioned we also had a Servil refrig that used kerosene with a circular wick of some 4" to 6" diameter. Was not very large, but sure beat using ice as most people did.
As for the lighting of the arrows, I would doubt they ran 24/7. 73
On 8/29/2013 9:11 AM, Dave Gary wrote:
Joe,
Yeah, I guess these guys down here were a little more primitive and didn’t have the electrical hookup. They used coal oil lighting. I wonder how they had that set up? Did they run the lantern 24/7? If not, who went up and lit it every night? Did they have a gravity-feed system from a large barrel of coal oil, so they didn’t have to worry about the unit running out of fuel in a few hours or days? Enquiring minds want to know. Of course, not enough to dig for the answer. I’ve only seen coal oil being used on old “Gunsmoke” episodes.
Dave On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
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No, I didn't see the article. But I suppose the generators were powered by something. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Navigation Arrow: St. George Joe, if you read the article Beverly linked to, you would know that most were powered by on-site generators. On Aug 29, 2013 2:37 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dave, Given the remote locations of many of the arrows, I doubt that electrical lines would have gone out to some. Probably a lot of them ran on coal oil. Maybe sometimes a person lived on site to tend it, like a lighthouse. -- Joe
________________________________ From: Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Navigation Arrow: St. George
Dave, very nice pics. Neat to have one so close to your house. As Chuck said, "first there was the dirigible".....well. when we moved from CA to OR on '42, the house had no electricity. So to me coal oil/kerosene lamps were a standard. They gave off enough light to see to move about a room, but not satisfactory for reading. My father bought (or maybe it was already there) an Aladdin (magic lamp?) that was much taller than a standard wick-type lamp. It still had a wick to light, but also had a mantle as do the Coleman camp lanterns. It gave a bright light, (I seen to remember you did not want to look directly at the mantle for very long) but was very good for reading. It always sat in the middle of the dinner table and that is where I did my homework. My dad purchased a Delco Remy system at a later time, I would have to say after the end of WWII, as I would guess they were not available until after the war effort. I don't know tho, as we arrived in OR with an olive drab TD-6 crawler tractor, and I was never privy to the details of that transaction. BTW, it was just the 3rd crawler in the county at that time. Carol & I still have several wick lamps for use when the power goes off. I believe I have already mentioned we also had a Servil refrig that used kerosene with a circular wick of some 4" to 6" diameter. Was not very large, but sure beat using ice as most people did.
As for the lighting of the arrows, I would doubt they ran 24/7. 73
On 8/29/2013 9:11 AM, Dave Gary wrote:
Joe,
Yeah, I guess these guys down here were a little more primitive and didn’t have the electrical hookup. They used coal oil lighting. I wonder how they had that set up? Did they run the lantern 24/7? If not, who went up and lit it every night? Did they have a gravity-feed system from a large barrel of coal oil, so they didn’t have to worry about the unit running out of fuel in a few hours or days? Enquiring minds want to know. Of course, not enough to dig for the answer. I’ve only seen coal oil being used on old “Gunsmoke” episodes.
Dave On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Regarding how they were illuminated, the museum in Wendover says some used acetylene flames (they have one of the acetylene tanks in their collection). patrick On 29 Aug 2013, at 14:35, Joe Bauman wrote:
Dave, Given the remote locations of many of the arrows, I doubt that electrical lines would have gone out to some. Probably a lot of them ran on coal oil. Maybe sometimes a person lived on site to tend it, like a lighthouse. -- Joe
Well, it’s a question I can ask Bill when he gets back from up north in the cool country around Jackson Hole. He’s my resident historian for all things aviation. He’s the old TWA pilot. Maybe he knows some old geezer (sorry, Larry) that knew how they operated the coal oil lighting system on those things. It may be just as simple as Joe said. Someone tended it as one would a light house. They lit the lanterns every night and made sure the oil was sufficient to get them through until morning. The “good ol’ days”, right Larry? Dave On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Dave Gary <davegary@me.com> wrote:
Joe,
Yeah, I guess these guys down here were a little more primitive and didn’t have the electrical hookup. They used coal oil lighting. I wonder how they had that set up? Did they run the lantern 24/7? If not, who went up and lit it every night? Did they have a gravity-feed system from a large barrel of coal oil, so they didn’t have to worry about the unit running out of fuel in a few hours or days? Enquiring minds want to know. Of course, not enough to dig for the answer. I’ve only seen coal oil being used on old “Gunsmoke” episodes.
Dave On Aug 28, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Nice pics, Dave. I really like the info on the plaque too. -- Joe
------------------------------ On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 7:14 PM MDT Dave Gary wrote:
Here’s that navigation arrow near my house in St. George. Drove up to it in a couple of minutes and took these photos. This one has a monument. http://www.flickr.com/photos/78046474@N06/sets/72157635281617142/
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