While the denser air at lower altitudes would have slowed it considerably, I wonder how fast it was falling higher up. I remember that when Col. Kittinger made his jump from a similar altitude he was falling supersonic before the thicker air slowed him down. http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/01/g-form-extreme-edge-ipad-case/ patrick
Patrick- (et el) Dirk Ross from the meteorite list just told me that HE got an Allsky cam from the gov't to use in Tokyo Japan. Right now he just can the cable thru his door from the roof and is getting it set up. Do you have any idea what is involved in getting one set up for our area? :) -Barrett
I saw a NASA news release a while back where they talked about setting up several meteor tracking cameras back east as some sort of network. I emailed the author asking when they might come to the west but never heard back. Kurt's pretty up on all sky setups. He's still off-list but I'll CC this to him and maybe he could get back to you off list. patrick On 07 Jan 2012, at 10:47, Barrett wrote:
Patrick- (et el) Dirk Ross from the meteorite list just told me that HE got an Allsky cam from the gov't to use in Tokyo Japan. Right now he just can the cable thru his door from the roof and is getting it set up. Do you have any idea what is involved in getting one set up for our area? :) -Barrett
Wow! ________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 1:56 AM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] iPad free fall from "edge of space" While the denser air at lower altitudes would have slowed it considerably, I wonder how fast it was falling higher up. I remember that when Col. Kittinger made his jump from a similar altitude he was falling supersonic before the thicker air slowed him down. http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/01/g-form-extreme-edge-ipad-case/ patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
Meh. From the flapping of the balloon fragments and harness, it never even approached supersonic. I'd like to see the unedited version. On 1/7/12, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
While the denser air at lower altitudes would have slowed it considerably, I wonder how fast it was falling higher up.
Yeah, maybe something more interesting would be to strap it in the seat of a sports car and roll it out the back of a high flying airplane like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMxXHY1f8Xk But first I need to find someone willing to loan us their sports care. Hey, Chuck can I borrow your car for a few days. I promise to return the piece, umm, err, I mean I promise to return it... patrick :) On 07 Jan 2012, at 13:07, Chuck Hards wrote:
Meh. From the flapping of the balloon fragments and harness, it never even approached supersonic. I'd like to see the unedited version.
On 1/7/12, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
While the denser air at lower altitudes would have slowed it considerably, I wonder how fast it was falling higher up.
LMAO, Thanks for the suggestion Patrick, but it still wouldn't make it more interesting. Sports cars are best left on the road. Trust me. A bowling ball, on the other hand...hmmm... Now, that would have a good chance of going supersonic. And maybe making a discernable crater in the salt flats. ;-) On 1/7/12, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Yeah, maybe something more interesting would be to strap it in the seat of a sports car and roll it out the back of a high flying airplane like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMxXHY1f8Xk
But first I need to find someone willing to loan us their sports care. Hey, Chuck can I borrow your car for a few days. I promise to return the piece, umm, err, I mean I promise to return it...
On 07 Jan 2012, at 19:01, Chuck Hards wrote:
LMAO, Thanks for the suggestion Patrick, but it still wouldn't make it more interesting. Sports cars are best left on the road. Trust me.
A bowling ball, on the other hand...hmmm...
Now, that would have a good chance of going supersonic. And maybe making a discernable crater in the salt flats. ;-)
I'm still planning another drop and hopefully Ann will reprise her role as bombardier. Next time, however, I want to be higher and drop several objects of varying size and density in hopes of creating a strewn field. I've already got a small collection of objects. I just wish someone would donate a real meteorite... :) For folks who do not know what Chuck and I are talking about: http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/%7Epaw/METEOR01.HTML and http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-03-02-meteor-bowling_x.htm patrick p.s. Another car skydive that didn't go quite as planned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm_pLW4ymEk
What's the ceiling on your airplane? More to the point, what's the legal ceiling over the drop zone? On 1/7/12, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
For folks who do not know what Chuck and I are talking about: http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/%7Epaw/METEOR01.HTML and http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-03-02-meteor-bowling_x.htm
I've never had it about 14,000ish above seal level but one of my partners in the plane did take it to 17,999. In it's present configuration the FAA says 17,999 is the limit. Still, I'm pretty sure anything we drop would reach terminal velocity and zero forward velocity from much lower altitudes so we really don't need to go that high. patrick On 07 Jan 2012, at 19:23, Chuck Hards wrote:
What's the ceiling on your airplane? More to the point, what's the legal ceiling over the drop zone?
On 1/7/12, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
For folks who do not know what Chuck and I are talking about: http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/%7Epaw/METEOR01.HTML and http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-03-02-meteor-bowling_x.htm
Sad but true. We'd probably get more scientific results with a cannon. Wait a minute...deja vu! Lol! On Jan 7, 2012 7:40 PM, "Patrick Wiggins" <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
I've never had it about 14,000ish above seal level but one of my partners in the plane did take it to 17,999.
In it's present configuration the FAA says 17,999 is the limit.
Still, I'm pretty sure anything we drop would reach terminal velocity and zero forward velocity from much lower altitudes so we really don't need to go that high.
patrick
On 07 Jan 2012, at 19:23, Chuck Hards wrote:
What's the ceiling on your airplane? More to the point, what's the legal ceiling over the drop zone?
On 1/7/12, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
For folks who do not know what Chuck and I are talking about: http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/%7Epaw/METEOR01.HTML and http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-03-02-meteor-bowling_x.htm
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I had mine at FL230. ________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] iPad free fall from "edge of space" I've never had it about 14,000ish above seal level but one of my partners in the plane did take it to 17,999. In it's present configuration the FAA says 17,999 is the limit. Still, I'm pretty sure anything we drop would reach terminal velocity and zero forward velocity from much lower altitudes so we really don't need to go that high. patrick On 07 Jan 2012, at 19:23, Chuck Hards wrote:
What's the ceiling on your airplane? More to the point, what's the legal ceiling over the drop zone?
On 1/7/12, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
For folks who do not know what Chuck and I are talking about: http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/%7Epaw/METEOR01.HTML and http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-03-02-meteor-bowling_x.htm
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I think I just might know someone that would contribute to that exercise :) -Barrett -----Original Message----- I'm still planning another drop and hopefully Ann will reprise her role as bombardier. Next time, however, I want to be higher and drop several objects of varying size and density in hopes of creating a strewn field. I've already got a small collection of objects. I just wish someone would donate a real meteorite... :) For folks who do not know what Chuck and I are talking about: http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/%7Epaw/METEOR01.HTML and http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-03-02-meteor-bowling_x.htm patrick p.s. Another car skydive that didn't go quite as planned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm_pLW4ymEk _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
What is dry mud? ________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] iPad free fall from "edge of space" On 07 Jan 2012, at 19:01, Chuck Hards wrote:
LMAO, Thanks for the suggestion Patrick, but it still wouldn't make it more interesting. Sports cars are best left on the road. Trust me.
A bowling ball, on the other hand...hmmm...
Now, that would have a good chance of going supersonic. And maybe making a discernable crater in the salt flats. ;-)
I'm still planning another drop and hopefully Ann will reprise her role as bombardier. Next time, however, I want to be higher and drop several objects of varying size and density in hopes of creating a strewn field. I've already got a small collection of objects. I just wish someone would donate a real meteorite... :) For folks who do not know what Chuck and I are talking about: http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/%7Epaw/METEOR01.HTML and http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-03-02-meteor-bowling_x.htm patrick p.s. Another car skydive that didn't go quite as planned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm_pLW4ymEk _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
Brent, By definition, mud is sediment with roughly equal parts of sand, silt and clay. Dry mud is this material that has had the water evaporate leaving only a low moisture content. Rodger Fry -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+rcfry=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+rcfry=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Brent Watson Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:59 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] iPad free fall from "edge of space" What is dry mud? ________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] iPad free fall from "edge of space" On 07 Jan 2012, at 19:01, Chuck Hards wrote:
LMAO, Thanks for the suggestion Patrick, but it still wouldn't make it more interesting. Sports cars are best left on the road. Trust me.
A bowling ball, on the other hand...hmmm...
Now, that would have a good chance of going supersonic. And maybe making a discernable crater in the salt flats. ;-)
I'm still planning another drop and hopefully Ann will reprise her role as bombardier. Next time, however, I want to be higher and drop several objects of varying size and density in hopes of creating a strewn field. I've already got a small collection of objects. I just wish someone would donate a real meteorite... :) For folks who do not know what Chuck and I are talking about: http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/%7Epaw/METEOR01.HTML and http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-03-02-meteor-bowling_x.htm patrick p.s. Another car skydive that didn't go quite as planned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm_pLW4ymEk _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
Huh. Learn something new everyday. Never knew there was a definition of mud beyond 'wet dirt'. (and I'm not being sarcastic, I truly didn't know this) Dan On Jan 8, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Rodger C. Fry wrote:
Brent,
By definition, mud is sediment with roughly equal parts of sand, silt and clay. Dry mud is this material that has had the water evaporate leaving only a low moisture content.
Rodger Fry
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+rcfry=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+rcfry=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Brent Watson Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:59 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] iPad free fall from "edge of space"
What is dry mud?
________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] iPad free fall from "edge of space"
On 07 Jan 2012, at 19:01, Chuck Hards wrote:
LMAO, Thanks for the suggestion Patrick, but it still wouldn't make it more interesting. Sports cars are best left on the road. Trust me.
A bowling ball, on the other hand...hmmm...
Now, that would have a good chance of going supersonic. And maybe making a discernable crater in the salt flats. ;-)
I'm still planning another drop and hopefully Ann will reprise her role as bombardier.
Next time, however, I want to be higher and drop several objects of varying size and density in hopes of creating a strewn field. I've already got a small collection of objects. I just wish someone would donate a real meteorite... :)
For folks who do not know what Chuck and I are talking about: http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/%7Epaw/METEOR01.HTML and http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-03-02-meteor-bowling_x.htm
patrick
p.s. Another car skydive that didn't go quite as planned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm_pLW4ymEk _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
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Thanks Rodger. I had always thought of mud as containing a lot of water. Brent ________________________________ From: Rodger C. Fry <rcfry@comcast.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] iPad free fall from "edge of space" Brent, By definition, mud is sediment with roughly equal parts of sand, silt and clay. Dry mud is this material that has had the water evaporate leaving only a low moisture content. Rodger Fry -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+rcfry=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+rcfry=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Brent Watson Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:59 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] iPad free fall from "edge of space" What is dry mud?
The dictionary seems to agree with Brent, as per this copy and paste from dictionary.com 1. wet, soft earth or earthy matter, as on the ground after rain, at the bottom of a pond, or along the banks of a river; mire. 2. Informal . scandalous or malicious assertions or information: The opposition threw a lot of mud at our candidate. 3. Slang . brewed coffee, especially when strong or bitter. 4. a mixture of chemicals and other substances pumped into a drilling rig chiefly as a lubricant for the bit and shaft. --- On Sun, 1/8/12, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] iPad free fall from "edge of space" To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Sunday, January 8, 2012, 7:27 PM Thanks Rodger. I had always thought of mud as containing a lot of water. Brent ________________________________ From: Rodger C. Fry <rcfry@comcast.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] iPad free fall from "edge of space" Brent, By definition, mud is sediment with roughly equal parts of sand, silt and clay. Dry mud is this material that has had the water evaporate leaving only a low moisture content. Rodger Fry -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+rcfry=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+rcfry=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Brent Watson Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:59 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] iPad free fall from "edge of space" What is dry mud? _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
With all this talk about i-Pad durability and bowling balls being dropped over the Salt Flats, nobody has bothered to note how durable the video camera was that accompanied the i-Pad and G-Force packaging to the earth. As far as I can tell, the camera had no particular packaging on it, but it survived the fall and kept on recording events after earthly impact. Now that's one tough camera!! --- On Sat, 1/7/12, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote: From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] iPad free fall from "edge of space" To: "utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Saturday, January 7, 2012, 1:56 AM While the denser air at lower altitudes would have slowed it considerably, I wonder how fast it was falling higher up. I remember that when Col. Kittinger made his jump from a similar altitude he was falling supersonic before the thicker air slowed him down. http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/01/g-form-extreme-edge-ipad-case/ patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
Some interesting info from the American Meteor Society. http://www.amsmeteors.org/fireballs/faqf/#12 FAQ #12 is especially relevant to the meteor-strike simulation experiment (bowling-ball) Also for those who want to slog through the math of drag, turbulence, etc., http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/BGH/reynolds.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_number
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