Re: [Utah-astronomy] Hello...?
In a message dated 7/29/2004 10:00:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch@msn.com> writes:
Debbie, have you posted your work anywhere yet?
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Not yet. I'm waiting for my battery so I can transfer the pictures to the laptop computer. I'm using my neighbor's slow computer and trying up her phone line. I still have to decide which ones to post. I found out that my mom's slide machine is an early 50s machine but the slides seemed to look better on that old machine than my Pentium II computer. I'm hoping the resolution is better on the laptop than my old computer. Do you like slides or prints better? Nobody down here has a decent slide projector so I'm thinking of going back to print film for the meteors. I'm beginning to think this is a worthy pursuit. My tracking was better the second time taking piggy-back shots. I'm ready for longer focal lengths and a new digital SLR camera. I think going digital will be a lot easier. Debbie
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 In a message dated 7/27/2004 4:24:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com<mailto:chuckhards@yahoo.com>> writes:
 >  >--- UTAHDEB@aol.com<mailto:UTAHDEB@aol.com> wrote:  >  >> This astrophotography stuff is harder than  >> I thought it was. Hopefully I got a few decent  >> pictures.  >  >Stick with it, Debbie. Anything that's easy isn't  >worth doing. Mastering the difficult is what makes it  >worthwhile. And your first efforts are outstanding.  >  >I'm certainly no expert, but from my experience  >imaging and socializing do not go together. Visual  >astronomy is more of a star-party activity; when  >taking pictures I find the fewer distractions, the  >better the "keeper" ratio.  >  I got my results back today. My results were better than I thought they would be. I have some keepers. My main problems were airplanes and framing the shots. I haven't received my magnifier yet so I feel like I was shooting blind. My tracking is good so far with mostly pinpoint stars. I may be ready to try guiding with a longer focal length lens. This Kolob Reservoir site is going to be great for astrophotography. Jim was up there working on the site today. I recorded lots of dark nebulosity in my slides. I was shooting mostly in the Sagittarius and Scorpius regions. I compared my M6 and M7 shots with O'Meara's book "The Messier Objects" and liked mine better.
 Now I just need to get a hold of a good slide projector. Ours is too old and it heats up the house. Not good in the summer!  Anybody have a spare slide projector?  I'll have to look at the slides on the laptop computer and post them as soon as the new battery arrives.
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Deb, If I'm not mistaken slides are more versatile than prints, and typically work better for astrophotography. I suspect you are better off sticking with slides for this kind of work (those that actually know for sure feel free to jump in here and either confirm or deny what I'm telling her!). Anyway, the images they give you on a disk are presumably scanned by the folks that do the processing...? Perhaps the apparent difference in image quality, aside from your old computer's graphics card, can be explained by whatever they use as a default scanning resolution. If you get your own scanner (that has the adapter to scan slides) you can set the resolution to whatever you like that will certainly yield high quality digital images from your slides. I'm curious -- how big are the digital images on the disk they gave you (in terms of file size)? What are the pixel dimensions of these images? What format are they in (TIFF, JPG, etc.)? -Rich --- UTAHDEB@aol.com wrote:
Not yet. I'm waiting for my battery so I can transfer the pictures to the laptop computer. I'm using my neighbor's slow computer and trying up her phone line. I still have to decide which ones to post. I found out that my mom's slide machine is an early 50s machine but the slides seemed to look better on that old machine than my Pentium II computer. I'm hoping the resolution is better on the laptop than my old computer.
Do you like slides or prints better? Nobody down here has a decent slide projector so I'm thinking of going back to print film for the meteors. I'm beginning to think this is a worthy pursuit. My tracking was better the second time taking piggy-back shots. I'm ready for longer focal lengths and a new digital SLR camera. I think going digital will be a lot easier.
Debbie
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A couple of thoughts: Even after my recent purchase of a digital SLR, I think there are occasions where traditional film would be superior. For example, how does one take a long, say three to four hour exposure with a digital camera, necessary for good star trail images, for instance? Perhaps impractical, perhaps not. Also, except for the most expensive cameras, the field of view does not yet compare with a traditional 35mm SLR. I plan to experiment with both for the upcoming Perseids. How does one convert a digital image to a 35mm slide? I know 35mm slides can be digitized and printed or simply saved for projection from a conventional projector. Can labs create a 35m slide from a digital image? I've always preferred wide-angle (piggyback) nighttime photography. I love some of the photos I've taken with a 19mm lens on my film 35mm SLR. Check camera shops and ebay for a used Kodak Ektagraphic (Carousel type) projector. Look for the old two-tone gray and black models - they're partly metal and more durable than the newer all plastic models. Kim Hyatt Architect 1849 East 1300 South Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 801.631.5228 kimharch@msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com> serius est quam cogitas ----- Original Message ----- From: UTAHDEB@aol.com<mailto:UTAHDEB@aol.com> To: Utah Astronomy<mailto:utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Hello...? In a message dated 7/29/2004 10:00:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Kim Hyatt" <kimharch@msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com>> writes:
Debbie, have you posted your work anywhere yet?
Kim Hyatt Architect 1849 East 1300 South Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 801.631.5228
Not yet. I'm waiting for my battery so I can transfer the pictures to the laptop computer. I'm using my neighbor's slow computer and trying up her phone line. I still have to decide which ones to post. I found out that my mom's slide machine is an early 50s machine but the slides seemed to look better on that old machine than my Pentium II computer. I'm hoping the resolution is better on the laptop than my old computer. Do you like slides or prints better? Nobody down here has a decent slide projector so I'm thinking of going back to print film for the meteors. I'm beginning to think this is a worthy pursuit. My tracking was better the second time taking piggy-back shots. I'm ready for longer focal lengths and a new digital SLR camera. I think going digital will be a lot easier. Debbie
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In a message dated 7/27/2004 4:24:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com<mailto:chuckhards@yahoo.com<mailto:chuckhards@yahoocom<mailto:chuckhards@yahoo.com>>> writes:
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This astrophotography stuff is harder than I thought it was. Hopefully I got a few decent pictures.
Stick with it, Debbie. Anything that's easy isn't worth doing. Mastering the difficult is what makes it worthwhile. And your first efforts are outstanding.
I'm certainly no expert, but from my experience imaging and socializing do not go together. Visual astronomy is more of a star-party activity; when taking pictures I find the fewer distractions, the better the "keeper" ratio.
I got my results back today. My results were better than I thought they would be. I have some keepers. My main problems were airplanes and framing the shots. I haven't received my magnifier yet so I feel like I was shooting blind. My tracking is good so far with mostly pinpoint stars. I may be ready to try guiding with a longer focal length lens. This Kolob Reservoir site is going to be great for astrophotography. Jim was up there working on the site today. I recorded lots of dark nebulosity in my slides. I was shooting mostly in the Sagittarius and Scorpius regions. I compared my M6 and M7 shots with O'Meara's book "The Messier Objects" and liked mine better.
Now I just need to get a hold of a good slide projector. Ours is too old and it heats up the house. Not good in the summer! Anybody have a spare slide projector? I'll have to look at the slides on the laptop computer and post them as soon as the new battery arrives.
Debbie
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Kim Hyatt wrote:
How does one convert a digital image to a 35mm slide?
Not hard to do, just not cheap. When I was still with the late Hansen Planetarium we had a nifty device which put digital images on Ektachrome. That done, one just processed the film as usual. Worked great. On those occasions when the machine was down we'd take the images on a disk to Creative Color on 200 South, across from the downtown post office. They did very good work but the cost was something like a dollar per slide. Patrick
Ouch - of course, one only gets one or two useful shots out of every 100, so maybe not too bad? Kim Hyatt Architect 1849 East 1300 South Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 801.631.5228 kimharch@msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com> serius est quam cogitas ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Wiggins<mailto:paw@trilobyte.net> To: Utah Astronomy<mailto:utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 6:02 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Disital to slide Kim Hyatt wrote:
How does one convert a digital image to a 35mm slide?
Not hard to do, just not cheap. When I was still with the late Hansen Planetarium we had a nifty device which put digital images on Ektachrome. That done, one just processed the film as usual. Worked great. On those occasions when the machine was down we'd take the images on a disk to Creative Color on 200 South, across from the downtown post office. They did very good work but the cost was something like a dollar per slide. Patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com<mailto:Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy<http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy> Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com<http://www.utahastronomy.com/>
Hi Kim If you have digital files you would want them in a large fine jpeg or tiff and then find a lab that can 'burn ' digital files. We have that type of film recorder and can make slides from digital files at our lab. Again LARGE files are best!! You are right, long exposures w/ digital cameras are a process, film cameras would be better, less hassle, no possible battery drain,no noise artifacts. The slide can be scanned to digital and improved (we do that too!!) I like digital because you learn very rapidly what works and what is not working. For astrophotography, a DSLR is useful but has limitations but it's still a kick to shoot a photo and see it in a moment, adjust the image and post it on line. Newer DSLR's cover full frame (and BIG $$$$) so lenses used on last years model still have some sort of magnification factor to consider, you'll need a wide angle lens 50% wider than you have now. Nikon DSLR's can use fixed focal length manual lenses for astrophotography, Canon is restricted to the AF lenses for their mount. But most important is to have fun. Aloha ......................... The times they are a changin' Rob PS can you tell I'm just back from work at the lab??
I purchased a Nikon D70 just a couple of weeks ago. Between the poor weather and real-world responsibilities I haven't yet been able to do much at night. I'm keeping fingers crossed for the Perseids. Thanks for the info. Kim Hyatt Architect 1849 East 1300 South Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 801.631.5228 kimharch@msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com> serius est quam cogitas ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Ratkowski<mailto:ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> To: Utah Astronomy<mailto:utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Disital to slide Hi Kim If you have digital files you would want them in a large fine jpeg or tiff and then find a lab that can 'burn ' digital files. We have that type of film recorder and can make slides from digital files at our lab. Again LARGE files are best!! You are right, long exposures w/ digital cameras are a process, film cameras would be better, less hassle, no possible battery drain,no noise artifacts. The slide can be scanned to digital and improved (we do that too!!) I like digital because you learn very rapidly what works and what is not working. For astrophotography, a DSLR is useful but has limitations but it's still a kick to shoot a photo and see it in a moment, adjust the image and post it on line. Newer DSLR's cover full frame (and BIG $$$$) so lenses used on last years model still have some sort of magnification factor to consider, you'll need a wide angle lens 50% wider than you have now. Nikon DSLR's can use fixed focal length manual lenses for astrophotography, Canon is restricted to the AF lenses for their mount. But most important is to have fun. Aloha ......................... The times they are a changin' Rob PS can you tell I'm just back from work at the lab?? _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com<mailto:Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy<http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy> Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com<http://www.utahastronomy.com/>
Kim, I can't recall the details now, but recently there was an article in S&T on how to image star-trails with a digital camera. The technique used sequences of many short exposures, extreme enlargements show the trails to have tiny, regular gaps, not noticed except when greatly enlarged. Maybe someone remembers the issue or has time to search for it? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Sounds like a lot or work, though. I don't recall the article, but then again I haven't had much reason to read stuff on digital photography until now. Kim Hyatt Architect 1849 East 1300 South Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 801.631.5228 kimharch@msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com> serius est quam cogitas ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Hards<mailto:chuckhards@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy<mailto:utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Disital to slide Kim, I can't recall the details now, but recently there was an article in S&T on how to image star-trails with a digital camera. The technique used sequences of many short exposures, extreme enlargements show the trails to have tiny, regular gaps, not noticed except when greatly enlarged. Maybe someone remembers the issue or has time to search for it? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail<http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail> _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com<mailto:Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy<http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy> Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com<http://www.utahastronomy.com/>
March 2004 S+T pg 126 by Peter Michaud "Capturing Star Trails with a Digital Camera"
Kim, I can't recall the details now, but recently there was an article in S&T on how to image star-trails with a digital camera. The technique used sequences of many short exposures, extreme enlargements show the trails to have tiny, regular gaps, not noticed except when greatly enlarged. Maybe someone remembers the issue or has time to search for it?
Kim & Debbie, I am looking at a Kodak Carousel 600 slide projector with an Ektanar f:3.5 lens of 4-inch focal length. I think it works, will fire it up (hmm, perhaps a poor choice of words) this weekend and let you know (need to find the cord but I think I know where it is, same as the blender cord;) IIRC, the two trays of slides I see with it are, 1: old astro stuff dating to the '70's, and the other is R/C. Wonder if they still make bulbs for these? I used to show slides at SLAS meetings, ward houses, & schools with this circa 1974-75-ish. --- Kim Hyatt <kimharch@msn.com> wrote:
Check camera shops and ebay for a used Kodak Ektagraphic (Carousel type) projector. Look for the old two-tone gray and black models - they're partly metal and more durable than the newer all plastic models.
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It's my understanding that the Kodak Carousel models were intended for home use and not quite as rugged as the Ektagraphic models. Ektagraphics were for "professional" use and had a few more capabilities, as well. Both use same lenses - the zoom lenses are more flexible, but costlier. Lamps are still available, probably around $10. A number of years ago I loaded up on used carousel trays from the U of U for about $2 each. New I think they're $18-$20. Kim Hyatt Architect 1849 East 1300 South Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 801.631.5228 kimharch@msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com> serius est quam cogitas ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Hards<mailto:chuckhards@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy<mailto:utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Slide projector (was: Hello?...) Kim & Debbie, I am looking at a Kodak Carousel 600 slide projector with an Ektanar f:3.5 lens of 4-inch focal length. I think it works, will fire it up (hmm, perhaps a poor choice of words) this weekend and let you know (need to find the cord but I think I know where it is, same as the blender cord;) IIRC, the two trays of slides I see with it are, 1: old astro stuff dating to the '70's, and the other is R/C. Wonder if they still make bulbs for these? I used to show slides at SLAS meetings, ward houses, & schools with this circa 1974-75-ish. --- Kim Hyatt <kimharch@msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com>> wrote:
Check camera shops and ebay for a used Kodak Ektagraphic (Carousel type) projector. Look for the old two-tone gray and black models - they're partly metal and more durable than the newer all plastic models.
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This is an all-metal case, still works after over 30 years...rugged enough? ;) The functional difference that I recall was that the Ektagraphic models had a corded remote. ethay earlyay irdbay etsgay ethay ormway --- Kim Hyatt <kimharch@msn.com> wrote:
It's my understanding that the Kodak Carousel models were intended for home use and not quite as rugged as the Ektagraphic models. Ektagraphics were for "professional" use and had a few more capabilities, as well. Both use same lenses - the zoom lenses are more flexible, but costlier. Lamps are still available, probably around $10. A number of years ago I loaded up on used carousel trays from the U of U for about $2 each. New I think they're $18-$20.
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Well, not currently. I did take a year of Latin while attending catholic school, still have my textbook, but since I quit the church decades ago, dropped-out of science as a career, and don't hang with you, Kim, and Jo, there hasn't been much opportunity to use it in daily life! Like the German and Spanish I studied so long ago. If you don't use it, you lose it! Ach! --- David L Bennett <dlbennett@mac.com> wrote:
Chuck, I see you speak latin too!
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I don't need one, but are you offering this for sale? Kim Hyatt Architect 1849 East 1300 South Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 801.631.5228 kimharch@msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com> serius est quam cogitas ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Hards<mailto:chuckhards@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy<mailto:utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Slide projector (was: Hello?...) This is an all-metal case, still works after over 30 years...rugged enough? ;) The functional difference that I recall was that the Ektagraphic models had a corded remote. ethay earlyay irdbay etsgay ethay ormway --- Kim Hyatt <kimharch@msn.com<mailto:kimharch@msn.com>> wrote:
It's my understanding that the Kodak Carousel models were intended for home use and not quite as rugged as the Ektagraphic models. Ektagraphics were for "professional" use and had a few more capabilities, as well. Both use same lenses - the zoom lenses are more flexible, but costlier. Lamps are still available, probably around $10. A number of years ago I loaded up on used carousel trays from the U of U for about $2 each. New I think they're $18-$20.
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Not for sale, no, but I offer it to Debbie on-loan if she needs it to examine her slides, perhaps show them at a gathering sometime... --- Kim Hyatt <kimharch@msn.com> wrote:
I don't need one, but are you offering this for sale?
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