I just noticed this on the Orion "Bargain" Web-page, for the ATM wanting to build a nice refractor: http://www.telescope.com/rsc/img/catalog/lc/articles/bargains_galore.html *64080 VIXEN Objective Lens for VX102ED GP Telescope reg. $1500.00 sale $810.00 discount 46%* ** The first number is the SKU number for ordering purposes. It's "just" the ED objective lens, but that's a heckuva discount, and a good price for a Vixen ED objective.