By the letters it is an "unidentified flying object" until it can be identified and I have seen one tonight and am posting what I saw on this board in hopes the VAST intelligence and experience of board members can figure out what it was. My home is about 7000 South and 1.5 miles west from the mouth of Big Cottonwood Canyon. I was looking west at around 11:00 tonight. I do not have trees in my back yard, so my view to the west is clear. I picked up the "object" on the edge of my neighbor's tree to the north. At first, it appeared to be the red flash of a firework, but it did not fade. Guessing - it traveled in pretty much a straight line from "about" 40th south to 80th south (north to south), where I lost sight of it behind another neighbor's tree to the south of my property It did appear to become slightly larger as it traveled from north to south. Okay, now for the description. It was "Y" shaped. the tops of the "Y" appeared to be grey/silver, although I could not see anything from the tips to about the center of the "Y" which was definitely a red light - not flashing. Then from the center light there appeared to be an additional extended red light that did not go straight down, but slanted to the left. There were definitely two separate red lights. Altitude was low, so as to not be a plane, nor a helicopter. There were no flashing lights. It occurred to me it might be a paraglider, but have never seen one at night so far from the mountains. Could have been a motorized paraglider. So any guesses as to what I saw??????? No, I was not drinking. Nor tired, nor was I in a drug induced frame of mind. Joan
I feel a probing coming on. Dave On Jul 23, 2014, at 23:46, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
By the letters it is an "unidentified flying object" until it can be identified and I have seen one tonight and am posting what I saw on this board in hopes the VAST intelligence and experience of board members can figure out what it was.
My home is about 7000 South and 1.5 miles west from the mouth of Big Cottonwood Canyon. I was looking west at around 11:00 tonight. I do not have trees in my back yard, so my view to the west is clear. I picked up the "object" on the edge of my neighbor's tree to the north. At first, it appeared to be the red flash of a firework, but it did not fade. Guessing - it traveled in pretty much a straight line from "about" 40th south to 80th south (north to south), where I lost sight of it behind another neighbor's tree to the south of my property It did appear to become slightly larger as it traveled from north to south.
Okay, now for the description. It was "Y" shaped. the tops of the "Y" appeared to be grey/silver, although I could not see anything from the tips to about the center of the "Y" which was definitely a red light - not flashing. Then from the center light there appeared to be an additional extended red light that did not go straight down, but slanted to the left. There were definitely two separate red lights. Altitude was low, so as to not be a plane, nor a helicopter. There were no flashing lights.
It occurred to me it might be a paraglider, but have never seen one at night so far from the mountains. Could have been a motorized paraglider.
So any guesses as to what I saw???????
No, I was not drinking. Nor tired, nor was I in a drug induced frame of mind.
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Damn!!! another opportunity missed. Well, it appears they didn't want me anyway. Maybe it was a "sign" of the U beating the Y the next time they meet - in about two years. In all seriousness, I have not made this up. I was coming in to the house and looked west and up over the back wall, as I always do, caught a flicker in the tree and assumed a firework. Closed the door, which has glass in it, and looked again. That's when I realized it hadn't faded, was out of the tree, a solid "object" traveling in a generally straight line. Assumed the extended red light was a refraction of the glass, so went back outside and watched it for about 45 seconds. An inquiring mind wants to know - what was it? Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Gary" <davegary@me.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:22:03 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO I feel a probing coming on. Dave On Jul 23, 2014, at 23:46, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
By the letters it is an "unidentified flying object" until it can be identified and I have seen one tonight and am posting what I saw on this board in hopes the VAST intelligence and experience of board members can figure out what it was.
My home is about 7000 South and 1.5 miles west from the mouth of Big Cottonwood Canyon. I was looking west at around 11:00 tonight. I do not have trees in my back yard, so my view to the west is clear. I picked up the "object" on the edge of my neighbor's tree to the north. At first, it appeared to be the red flash of a firework, but it did not fade. Guessing - it traveled in pretty much a straight line from "about" 40th south to 80th south (north to south), where I lost sight of it behind another neighbor's tree to the south of my property It did appear to become slightly larger as it traveled from north to south.
Okay, now for the description. It was "Y" shaped. the tops of the "Y" appeared to be grey/silver, although I could not see anything from the tips to about the center of the "Y" which was definitely a red light - not flashing. Then from the center light there appeared to be an additional extended red light that did not go straight down, but slanted to the left. There were definitely two separate red lights. Altitude was low, so as to not be a plane, nor a helicopter. There were no flashing lights.
It occurred to me it might be a paraglider, but have never seen one at night so far from the mountains. Could have been a motorized paraglider.
So any guesses as to what I saw???????
No, I was not drinking. Nor tired, nor was I in a drug induced frame of mind.
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Joan, what time was it? Could it have been a small aircraft that had that appearance because of your perspective? How fast did it move? On Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:30 AM, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote: Damn!!! another opportunity missed. Well, it appears they didn't want me anyway. Maybe it was a "sign" of the U beating the Y the next time they meet - in about two years. In all seriousness, I have not made this up. I was coming in to the house and looked west and up over the back wall, as I always do, caught a flicker in the tree and assumed a firework. Closed the door, which has glass in it, and looked again. That's when I realized it hadn't faded, was out of the tree, a solid "object" traveling in a generally straight line. Assumed the extended red light was a refraction of the glass, so went back outside and watched it for about 45 seconds. An inquiring mind wants to know - what was it? Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Gary" <davegary@me.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:22:03 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO I feel a probing coming on. Dave On Jul 23, 2014, at 23:46, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
By the letters it is an "unidentified flying object" until it can be identified and I have seen one tonight and am posting what I saw on this board in hopes the VAST intelligence and experience of board members can figure out what it was.
My home is about 7000 South and 1.5 miles west from the mouth of Big Cottonwood Canyon. I was looking west at around 11:00 tonight. I do not have trees in my back yard, so my view to the west is clear. I picked up the "object" on the edge of my neighbor's tree to the north. At first, it appeared to be the red flash of a firework, but it did not fade. Guessing - it traveled in pretty much a straight line from "about" 40th south to 80th south (north to south), where I lost sight of it behind another neighbor's tree to the south of my property It did appear to become slightly larger as it traveled from north to south.
Okay, now for the description. It was "Y" shaped. the tops of the "Y" appeared to be grey/silver, although I could not see anything from the tips to about the center of the "Y" which was definitely a red light - not flashing. Then from the center light there appeared to be an additional extended red light that did not go straight down, but slanted to the left. There were definitely two separate red lights. Altitude was low, so as to not be a plane, nor a helicopter. There were no flashing lights.
It occurred to me it might be a paraglider, but have never seen one at night so far from the mountains. Could have been a motorized paraglider.
So any guesses as to what I saw???????
No, I was not drinking. Nor tired, nor was I in a drug induced frame of mind.
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About 11:00 last night, p.m. It was very low in altitude, not where you would expect a plane or a helicopter to be. No flashing lights. It was moving "slowly" i.e., not as fast as a plane or helicopter that's what got me to think of a paraglider. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Watson via Utah-Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:37:50 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO Joan, what time was it? Could it have been a small aircraft that had that appearance because of your perspective? How fast did it move? On Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:30 AM, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote: Damn!!! another opportunity missed. Well, it appears they didn't want me anyway. Maybe it was a "sign" of the U beating the Y the next time they meet - in about two years. In all seriousness, I have not made this up. I was coming in to the house and looked west and up over the back wall, as I always do, caught a flicker in the tree and assumed a firework. Closed the door, which has glass in it, and looked again. That's when I realized it hadn't faded, was out of the tree, a solid "object" traveling in a generally straight line. Assumed the extended red light was a refraction of the glass, so went back outside and watched it for about 45 seconds. An inquiring mind wants to know - what was it? Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Gary" <davegary@me.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:22:03 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO I feel a probing coming on. Dave On Jul 23, 2014, at 23:46, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
By the letters it is an "unidentified flying object" until it can be identified and I have seen one tonight and am posting what I saw on this board in hopes the VAST intelligence and experience of board members can figure out what it was.
My home is about 7000 South and 1.5 miles west from the mouth of Big Cottonwood Canyon. I was looking west at around 11:00 tonight. I do not have trees in my back yard, so my view to the west is clear. I picked up the "object" on the edge of my neighbor's tree to the north. At first, it appeared to be the red flash of a firework, but it did not fade. Guessing - it traveled in pretty much a straight line from "about" 40th south to 80th south (north to south), where I lost sight of it behind another neighbor's tree to the south of my property It did appear to become slightly larger as it traveled from north to south.
Okay, now for the description. It was "Y" shaped. the tops of the "Y" appeared to be grey/silver, although I could not see anything from the tips to about the center of the "Y" which was definitely a red light - not flashing. Then from the center light there appeared to be an additional extended red light that did not go straight down, but slanted to the left. There were definitely two separate red lights. Altitude was low, so as to not be a plane, nor a helicopter. There were no flashing lights.
It occurred to me it might be a paraglider, but have never seen one at night so far from the mountains. Could have been a motorized paraglider.
So any guesses as to what I saw???????
No, I was not drinking. Nor tired, nor was I in a drug induced frame of mind.
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I'm wondering if it was a drone (quadcopter)--was there any noise? Thanks, Dan -- Daniel Holmes, danielh@holmesonics.com "Laugh while you can, monkey boy!" -- Lord John Whorfin
On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:29 AM, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
Damn!!! another opportunity missed. Well, it appears they didn't want me anyway. Maybe it was a "sign" of the U beating the Y the next time they meet - in about two years.
In all seriousness, I have not made this up. I was coming in to the house and looked west and up over the back wall, as I always do, caught a flicker in the tree and assumed a firework. Closed the door, which has glass in it, and looked again. That's when I realized it hadn't faded, was out of the tree, a solid "object" traveling in a generally straight line. Assumed the extended red light was a refraction of the glass, so went back outside and watched it for about 45 seconds.
An inquiring mind wants to know - what was it?
Joan
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Gary" <davegary@me.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:22:03 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO
I feel a probing coming on.
Dave
On Jul 23, 2014, at 23:46, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
By the letters it is an "unidentified flying object" until it can be identified and I have seen one tonight and am posting what I saw on this board in hopes the VAST intelligence and experience of board members can figure out what it was.
My home is about 7000 South and 1.5 miles west from the mouth of Big Cottonwood Canyon. I was looking west at around 11:00 tonight. I do not have trees in my back yard, so my view to the west is clear. I picked up the "object" on the edge of my neighbor's tree to the north. At first, it appeared to be the red flash of a firework, but it did not fade. Guessing - it traveled in pretty much a straight line from "about" 40th south to 80th south (north to south), where I lost sight of it behind another neighbor's tree to the south of my property It did appear to become slightly larger as it traveled from north to south.
Okay, now for the description. It was "Y" shaped. the tops of the "Y" appeared to be grey/silver, although I could not see anything from the tips to about the center of the "Y" which was definitely a red light - not flashing. Then from the center light there appeared to be an additional extended red light that did not go straight down, but slanted to the left. There were definitely two separate red lights. Altitude was low, so as to not be a plane, nor a helicopter. There were no flashing lights.
It occurred to me it might be a paraglider, but have never seen one at night so far from the mountains. Could have been a motorized paraglider.
So any guesses as to what I saw???????
No, I was not drinking. Nor tired, nor was I in a drug induced frame of mind.
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There have been a number of improvements made with electric motor model aircraft in recent years, including quadcopters, that would make little or no noise from a modest distance, and can have any number of lights. A guy in my neighborhood has one whose led lights can change color and configuration (including going dark for a time), hover, move up, down and sideways, and is pretty much silent. Just yesterday I spotted a copy of "Make" magazine at work, whose latest cover is about building your own inexpensive quad-copter atonomous drone (starting at less than $100). That would be my best guess. /R ________________________________ From: Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> To: Utah-astronomy Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO I'm wondering if it was a drone (quadcopter)--was there any noise? Thanks, Dan -- Daniel Holmes, danielh@holmesonics.com "Laugh while you can, monkey boy!" -- Lord John Whorfin
On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:29 AM, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
Damn!!! another opportunity missed. Well, it appears they didn't want me anyway. Maybe it was a "sign" of the U beating the Y the next time they meet - in about two years.
In all seriousness, I have not made this up. I was coming in to the house and looked west and up over the back wall, as I always do, caught a flicker in the tree and assumed a firework. Closed the door, which has glass in it, and looked again. That's when I realized it hadn't faded, was out of the tree, a solid "object" traveling in a generally straight line. Assumed the extended red light was a refraction of the glass, so went back outside and watched it for about 45 seconds.
An inquiring mind wants to know - what was it?
Joan
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Gary" <davegary@me.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:22:03 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO
I feel a probing coming on.
Dave
On Jul 23, 2014, at 23:46, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
By the letters it is an "unidentified flying object" until it can be identified and I have seen one tonight and am posting what I saw on this board in hopes the VAST intelligence and experience of board members can figure out what it was.
My home is about 7000 South and 1.5 miles west from the mouth of Big Cottonwood Canyon. I was looking west at around 11:00 tonight. I do not have trees in my back yard, so my view to the west is clear. I picked up the "object" on the edge of my neighbor's tree to the north. At first, it appeared to be the red flash of a firework, but it did not fade. Guessing - it traveled in pretty much a straight line from "about" 40th south to 80th south (north to south), where I lost sight of it behind another neighbor's tree to the south of my property It did appear to become slightly larger as it traveled from north to south.
Okay, now for the description. It was "Y" shaped. the tops of the "Y" appeared to be grey/silver, although I could not see anything from the tips to about the center of the "Y" which was definitely a red light - not flashing. Then from the center light there appeared to be an additional extended red light that did not go straight down, but slanted to the left. There were definitely two separate red lights. Altitude was low, so as to not be a plane, nor a helicopter. There were no flashing lights.
It occurred to me it might be a paraglider, but have never seen one at night so far from the mountains. Could have been a motorized paraglider.
So any guesses as to what I saw???????
No, I was not drinking. Nor tired, nor was I in a drug induced frame of mind.
Joan _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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The quadcopters like you and Dan suggested is a possibility. How big are they? Can they seat one or two people? The grey/silver tips MIGHT be the edge of the rotating blade. I thought of a paraglider, but just couldn't make the two tips converge in an arc. There just seemed to be blank space between them. It seems flying at night would be very dangerous, you can't see overhead power lines very well. The red lights wouldn't help in that regard. Hmmm, had I thought of it, maybe I should have hit it with my green laser, certainly would have caught its attention if it was manned (that's a joke folks). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Tenney via Utah-Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:00:30 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO There have been a number of improvements made with electric motor model aircraft in recent years, including quadcopters, that would make little or no noise from a modest distance, and can have any number of lights. A guy in my neighborhood has one whose led lights can change color and configuration (including going dark for a time), hover, move up, down and sideways, and is pretty much silent. Just yesterday I spotted a copy of "Make" magazine at work, whose latest cover is about building your own inexpensive quad-copter atonomous drone (starting at less than $100). That would be my best guess. /R ________________________________ From: Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> To: Utah-astronomy Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO I'm wondering if it was a drone (quadcopter)--was there any noise? Thanks, Dan -- Daniel Holmes, danielh@holmesonics.com "Laugh while you can, monkey boy!" -- Lord John Whorfin
On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:29 AM, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
Damn!!! another opportunity missed. Well, it appears they didn't want me anyway. Maybe it was a "sign" of the U beating the Y the next time they meet - in about two years.
In all seriousness, I have not made this up. I was coming in to the house and looked west and up over the back wall, as I always do, caught a flicker in the tree and assumed a firework. Closed the door, which has glass in it, and looked again. That's when I realized it hadn't faded, was out of the tree, a solid "object" traveling in a generally straight line. Assumed the extended red light was a refraction of the glass, so went back outside and watched it for about 45 seconds.
An inquiring mind wants to know - what was it?
Joan
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Gary" <davegary@me.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:22:03 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO
I feel a probing coming on.
Dave
On Jul 23, 2014, at 23:46, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
By the letters it is an "unidentified flying object" until it can be identified and I have seen one tonight and am posting what I saw on this board in hopes the VAST intelligence and experience of board members can figure out what it was.
My home is about 7000 South and 1.5 miles west from the mouth of Big Cottonwood Canyon. I was looking west at around 11:00 tonight. I do not have trees in my back yard, so my view to the west is clear. I picked up the "object" on the edge of my neighbor's tree to the north. At first, it appeared to be the red flash of a firework, but it did not fade. Guessing - it traveled in pretty much a straight line from "about" 40th south to 80th south (north to south), where I lost sight of it behind another neighbor's tree to the south of my property It did appear to become slightly larger as it traveled from north to south.
Okay, now for the description. It was "Y" shaped. the tops of the "Y" appeared to be grey/silver, although I could not see anything from the tips to about the center of the "Y" which was definitely a red light - not flashing. Then from the center light there appeared to be an additional extended red light that did not go straight down, but slanted to the left. There were definitely two separate red lights. Altitude was low, so as to not be a plane, nor a helicopter. There were no flashing lights.
It occurred to me it might be a paraglider, but have never seen one at night so far from the mountains. Could have been a motorized paraglider.
So any guesses as to what I saw???????
No, I was not drinking. Nor tired, nor was I in a drug induced frame of mind.
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They are typically the size of a lawnmower, but some are larger and some are smaller. But remember at night things lose depth perception easy. Dan -- Sent from my iPhone. Please pardon any mispelings or errors.
On Jul 24, 2014, at 4:32 PM, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
The quadcopters like you and Dan suggested is a possibility. How big are they? Can they seat one or two people? The grey/silver tips MIGHT be the edge of the rotating blade. I thought of a paraglider, but just couldn't make the two tips converge in an arc. There just seemed to be blank space between them. It seems flying at night would be very dangerous, you can't see overhead power lines very well. The red lights wouldn't help in that regard. Hmmm, had I thought of it, maybe I should have hit it with my green laser, certainly would have caught its attention if it was manned (that's a joke folks).
----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Tenney via Utah-Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:00:30 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO
There have been a number of improvements made with electric motor model aircraft in recent years, including quadcopters, that would make little or no noise from a modest distance, and can have any number of lights. A guy in my neighborhood has one whose led lights can change color and configuration (including going dark for a time), hover, move up, down and sideways, and is pretty much silent. Just yesterday I spotted a copy of "Make" magazine at work, whose latest cover is about building your own inexpensive quad-copter atonomous drone (starting at less than $100). That would be my best guess.
/R
________________________________ From: Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> To: Utah-astronomy Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO
I'm wondering if it was a drone (quadcopter)--was there any noise?
Thanks, Dan
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On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:29 AM, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
Damn!!! another opportunity missed. Well, it appears they didn't want me anyway. Maybe it was a "sign" of the U beating the Y the next time they meet - in about two years.
In all seriousness, I have not made this up. I was coming in to the house and looked west and up over the back wall, as I always do, caught a flicker in the tree and assumed a firework. Closed the door, which has glass in it, and looked again. That's when I realized it hadn't faded, was out of the tree, a solid "object" traveling in a generally straight line. Assumed the extended red light was a refraction of the glass, so went back outside and watched it for about 45 seconds.
An inquiring mind wants to know - what was it?
Joan
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Gary" <davegary@me.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:22:03 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO
I feel a probing coming on.
Dave
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By the letters it is an "unidentified flying object" until it can be identified and I have seen one tonight and am posting what I saw on this board in hopes the VAST intelligence and experience of board members can figure out what it was.
My home is about 7000 South and 1.5 miles west from the mouth of Big Cottonwood Canyon. I was looking west at around 11:00 tonight. I do not have trees in my back yard, so my view to the west is clear. I picked up the "object" on the edge of my neighbor's tree to the north. At first, it appeared to be the red flash of a firework, but it did not fade. Guessing - it traveled in pretty much a straight line from "about" 40th south to 80th south (north to south), where I lost sight of it behind another neighbor's tree to the south of my property It did appear to become slightly larger as it traveled from north to south.
Okay, now for the description. It was "Y" shaped. the tops of the "Y" appeared to be grey/silver, although I could not see anything from the tips to about the center of the "Y" which was definitely a red light - not flashing. Then from the center light there appeared to be an additional extended red light that did not go straight down, but slanted to the left. There were definitely two separate red lights. Altitude was low, so as to not be a plane, nor a helicopter. There were no flashing lights.
It occurred to me it might be a paraglider, but have never seen one at night so far from the mountains. Could have been a motorized paraglider.
So any guesses as to what I saw???????
No, I was not drinking. Nor tired, nor was I in a drug induced frame of mind.
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No noise, that I could hear, but then it was quite a distance away. It seemed to get slightly larger, so it may have been going at an angle slightly toward me, but not at me by any means. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Holmes" <danielh@holmesonics.com> To: "Utah-astronomy Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:12:59 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO I'm wondering if it was a drone (quadcopter)--was there any noise? Thanks, Dan -- Daniel Holmes, danielh@holmesonics.com "Laugh while you can, monkey boy!" -- Lord John Whorfin
On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:29 AM, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
Damn!!! another opportunity missed. Well, it appears they didn't want me anyway. Maybe it was a "sign" of the U beating the Y the next time they meet - in about two years.
In all seriousness, I have not made this up. I was coming in to the house and looked west and up over the back wall, as I always do, caught a flicker in the tree and assumed a firework. Closed the door, which has glass in it, and looked again. That's when I realized it hadn't faded, was out of the tree, a solid "object" traveling in a generally straight line. Assumed the extended red light was a refraction of the glass, so went back outside and watched it for about 45 seconds.
An inquiring mind wants to know - what was it?
Joan
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Gary" <davegary@me.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:22:03 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO
I feel a probing coming on.
Dave
On Jul 23, 2014, at 23:46, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
By the letters it is an "unidentified flying object" until it can be identified and I have seen one tonight and am posting what I saw on this board in hopes the VAST intelligence and experience of board members can figure out what it was.
My home is about 7000 South and 1.5 miles west from the mouth of Big Cottonwood Canyon. I was looking west at around 11:00 tonight. I do not have trees in my back yard, so my view to the west is clear. I picked up the "object" on the edge of my neighbor's tree to the north. At first, it appeared to be the red flash of a firework, but it did not fade. Guessing - it traveled in pretty much a straight line from "about" 40th south to 80th south (north to south), where I lost sight of it behind another neighbor's tree to the south of my property It did appear to become slightly larger as it traveled from north to south.
Okay, now for the description. It was "Y" shaped. the tops of the "Y" appeared to be grey/silver, although I could not see anything from the tips to about the center of the "Y" which was definitely a red light - not flashing. Then from the center light there appeared to be an additional extended red light that did not go straight down, but slanted to the left. There were definitely two separate red lights. Altitude was low, so as to not be a plane, nor a helicopter. There were no flashing lights.
It occurred to me it might be a paraglider, but have never seen one at night so far from the mountains. Could have been a motorized paraglider.
So any guesses as to what I saw???????
No, I was not drinking. Nor tired, nor was I in a drug induced frame of mind.
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Joan, was it flying with the arms of the Y at the back or the front? Thanks, Joe On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:46 PM, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote: By the letters it is an "unidentified flying object" until it can be identified and I have seen one tonight and am posting what I saw on this board in hopes the VAST intelligence and experience of board members can figure out what it was. My home is about 7000 South and 1.5 miles west from the mouth of Big Cottonwood Canyon. I was looking west at around 11:00 tonight. I do not have trees in my back yard, so my view to the west is clear. I picked up the "object" on the edge of my neighbor's tree to the north. At first, it appeared to be the red flash of a firework, but it did not fade. Guessing - it traveled in pretty much a straight line from "about" 40th south to 80th south (north to south), where I lost sight of it behind another neighbor's tree to the south of my property It did appear to become slightly larger as it traveled from north to south. Okay, now for the description. It was "Y" shaped. the tops of the "Y" appeared to be grey/silver, although I could not see anything from the tips to about the center of the "Y" which was definitely a red light - not flashing. Then from the center light there appeared to be an additional extended red light that did not go straight down, but slanted to the left. There were definitely two separate red lights. Altitude was low, so as to not be a plane, nor a helicopter. There were no flashing lights. It occurred to me it might be a paraglider, but have never seen one at night so far from the mountains. Could have been a motorized paraglider. So any guesses as to what I saw??????? No, I was not drinking. Nor tired, nor was I in a drug induced frame of mind. Joan _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Sorry, Joe, I can't answer that. I really don't know. It was moving north to south, low altitude. I saw the grey/silver tips, but nothing below until the central red light. Couldn't see any support structure of any kind, but distance may be a factor, I was just too far away, or it was too small. A quadcopter is still in the running. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Bauman via Utah-Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:41:19 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO Joan, was it flying with the arms of the Y at the back or the front? Thanks, Joe On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:46 PM, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote: By the letters it is an "unidentified flying object" until it can be identified and I have seen one tonight and am posting what I saw on this board in hopes the VAST intelligence and experience of board members can figure out what it was. My home is about 7000 South and 1.5 miles west from the mouth of Big Cottonwood Canyon. I was looking west at around 11:00 tonight. I do not have trees in my back yard, so my view to the west is clear. I picked up the "object" on the edge of my neighbor's tree to the north. At first, it appeared to be the red flash of a firework, but it did not fade. Guessing - it traveled in pretty much a straight line from "about" 40th south to 80th south (north to south), where I lost sight of it behind another neighbor's tree to the south of my property It did appear to become slightly larger as it traveled from north to south. Okay, now for the description. It was "Y" shaped. the tops of the "Y" appeared to be grey/silver, although I could not see anything from the tips to about the center of the "Y" which was definitely a red light - not flashing. Then from the center light there appeared to be an additional extended red light that did not go straight down, but slanted to the left. There were definitely two separate red lights. Altitude was low, so as to not be a plane, nor a helicopter. There were no flashing lights. It occurred to me it might be a paraglider, but have never seen one at night so far from the mountains. Could have been a motorized paraglider. So any guesses as to what I saw??????? No, I was not drinking. Nor tired, nor was I in a drug induced frame of mind. Joan _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
I vote quadcopter. On Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:39 PM, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote: Sorry, Joe, I can't answer that. I really don't know. It was moving north to south, low altitude. I saw the grey/silver tips, but nothing below until the central red light. Couldn't see any support structure of any kind, but distance may be a factor, I was just too far away, or it was too small. A quadcopter is still in the running. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Bauman via Utah-Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:41:19 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO Joan, was it flying with the arms of the Y at the back or the front? Thanks, Joe On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:46 PM, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote: By the letters it is an "unidentified flying object" until it can be identified and I have seen one tonight and am posting what I saw on this board in hopes the VAST intelligence and experience of board members can figure out what it was. My home is about 7000 South and 1.5 miles west from the mouth of Big Cottonwood Canyon. I was looking west at around 11:00 tonight. I do not have trees in my back yard, so my view to the west is clear. I picked up the "object" on the edge of my neighbor's tree to the north. At first, it appeared to be the red flash of a firework, but it did not fade. Guessing - it traveled in pretty much a straight line from "about" 40th south to 80th south (north to south), where I lost sight of it behind another neighbor's tree to the south of my property It did appear to become slightly larger as it traveled from north to south. Okay, now for the description. It was "Y" shaped. the tops of the "Y" appeared to be grey/silver, although I could not see anything from the tips to about the center of the "Y" which was definitely a red light - not flashing. Then from the center light there appeared to be an additional extended red light that did not go straight down, but slanted to the left. There were definitely two separate red lights. Altitude was low, so as to not be a plane, nor a helicopter. There were no flashing lights. It occurred to me it might be a paraglider, but have never seen one at night so far from the mountains. Could have been a motorized paraglider. So any guesses as to what I saw??????? No, I was not drinking. Nor tired, nor was I in a drug induced frame of mind. Joan _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Low altitude by itself does not discount crewed aircraft. Medical helicopters (air ambulances) fly at extremely low altitudes in the valley, sometimes skimming the treetops. Fire patrol aircraft also fly under the pattern close to those holidays that employ fireworks. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:46 PM, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
Altitude was low, so as to not be a plane, nor a helicopter. There were no flashing lights.
Medical helicopters have flown over my home before. One made a coming and going flight over head that very day, but they make a lot of noise and have flashing lights. They are heard long before they are seen. Planes have flashing lights too. The problem with my UFO observation is distance and size. I really don't know how far away it was and that relates to size. Hard to judge those things at night without a frame of reference. The "low altitude" is also difficult to judge. My home is on a lower bench so looking directly west from the back door, the view is already higher than the valley floor. Thinking back, I wasn't looking "up,", but almost "straight ahead." Based on that, a guess of an altiude between 500 and 1000 feet is reasonable. 45 seconds seemed like a long time to observe, but it speeds by when you are thinking - Hmmm firework, no not, wonder what it is, it could be, no it's not that, what's it shape? Hmm definitely a straight line, hmm grey/silver tips, could be..., no can't see a canopy, hmmm. now its gone. Wonder what kind of witness I would make in a court of law :) The quadcopter theory has me on board, but with two questions. (1) Why did I see the tips of the blade and not the whole blade and (2) why the two red lights? Well maybe three questions, would anyone really fly a quadcopter at 11:00 at night? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:28:04 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO Low altitude by itself does not discount crewed aircraft. Medical helicopters (air ambulances) fly at extremely low altitudes in the valley, sometimes skimming the treetops. Fire patrol aircraft also fly under the pattern close to those holidays that employ fireworks. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:46 PM, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
Altitude was low, so as to not be a plane, nor a helicopter. There were no flashing lights.
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The better quads are equipped with cameras that can capture/possibly stream video. Voyeurs abound under the cloak of darkness...? The guy in my area flies with lights ablaze, varying colors -- it's impressive to onlookers. But who knows? ________________________________ From: CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO Medical helicopters have flown over my home before. One made a coming and going flight over head that very day, but they make a lot of noise and have flashing lights. They are heard long before they are seen. Planes have flashing lights too. The problem with my UFO observation is distance and size. I really don't know how far away it was and that relates to size. Hard to judge those things at night without a frame of reference. The "low altitude" is also difficult to judge. My home is on a lower bench so looking directly west from the back door, the view is already higher than the valley floor. Thinking back, I wasn't looking "up,", but almost "straight ahead." Based on that, a guess of an altiude between 500 and 1000 feet is reasonable. 45 seconds seemed like a long time to observe, but it speeds by when you are thinking - Hmmm firework, no not, wonder what it is, it could be, no it's not that, what's it shape? Hmm definitely a straight line, hmm grey/silver tips, could be..., no can't see a canopy, hmmm. now its gone. Wonder what kind of witness I would make in a court of law :) The quadcopter theory has me on board, but with two questions. (1) Why did I see the tips of the blade and not the whole blade and (2) why the two red lights? Well maybe three questions, would anyone really fly a quadcopter at 11:00 at night? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:28:04 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO Low altitude by itself does not discount crewed aircraft. Medical helicopters (air ambulances) fly at extremely low altitudes in the valley, sometimes skimming the treetops. Fire patrol aircraft also fly under the pattern close to those holidays that employ fireworks. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:46 PM, CenturyLink Customer <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
Altitude was low, so as to not be a plane, nor a helicopter. There were no flashing lights.
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500 to 1000 feet AGL (Above Ground Level) is the minimum altitudes for aircraft, population dependant. In an area like this when the ground under the plane isn't flat, pilots have a hard time maintaining that exact min. altitude. There is also Class B airspace from 7,000 to 10,000 ft ASL (above sea level) for the bigger jets that are going into SLC International, so smaller aircraft have to stay below the 7,000 ft ASL. In this area that typically gives pilots about a 1,000 foot discretional altitude to stay within. The farther south you are of SLI airport, the more that changes, generally speaking. SO- the 500 to 1000 ft AGL would be about right for light aircraft. -Barrett www.FallenStarHunters.com www.BarrettsCustomLeather.com -----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of CenturyLink Customer Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 12:49 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO Hard to judge those things at night without a frame of reference. The "low altitude" is also difficult to judge. My home is on a lower bench so looking directly west from the back door, the view is already higher than the valley floor. Thinking back, I wasn't looking "up,", but almost "straight ahead." Based on that, a guess of an altiude between 500 and 1000 feet is reasonable.
I should have also added that there are several types of aircraft, especially homebuilt ones that could fall in the category of looking like a Y. The "Long EZ" is just one of them. (Similar to the one that John Denver got killed in), another is the Drake Delta. -Barrett -----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of BWFlowers Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:16 PM To: 'Utah Astronomy' Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO 500 to 1000 feet AGL (Above Ground Level) is the minimum altitudes for aircraft, population dependant. In an area like this when the ground under the plane isn't flat, pilots have a hard time maintaining that exact min. altitude. There is also Class B airspace from 7,000 to 10,000 ft ASL (above sea level) for the bigger jets that are going into SLC International, so smaller aircraft have to stay below the 7,000 ft ASL. In this area that typically gives pilots about a 1,000 foot discretional altitude to stay within. The farther south you are of SLI airport, the more that changes, generally speaking. SO- the 500 to 1000 ft AGL would be about right for light aircraft. -Barrett www.FallenStarHunters.com www.BarrettsCustomLeather.com -----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of CenturyLink Customer Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 12:49 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO Hard to judge those things at night without a frame of reference. The "low altitude" is also difficult to judge. My home is on a lower bench so looking directly west from the back door, the view is already higher than the valley floor. Thinking back, I wasn't looking "up,", but almost "straight ahead." Based on that, a guess of an altiude between 500 and 1000 feet is reasonable. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Emergency and police aircraft have an exemption to altitude limits over populated areas, as well as off-field landings. I wasn't disputing Joan's assertion that what she saw was not a helicopter, I just wanted to point-out that her claim of low altitude, by itself, was not ipso facto proof that it wasn't. On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 7:16 PM, BWFlowers <BWFlowers@comcast.net> wrote:
500 to 1000 feet AGL (Above Ground Level) is the minimum altitudes for aircraft, population dependant. In an area like this when the ground under the plane isn't flat, pilots have a hard time maintaining that exact min. altitude. There is also Class B airspace from 7,000 to 10,000 ft ASL (above sea level) for the bigger jets that are going into SLC International, so smaller aircraft have to stay below the 7,000 ft ASL. In this area that typically gives pilots about a 1,000 foot discretional altitude to stay within. The farther south you are of SLI airport, the more that changes, generally speaking. SO- the 500 to 1000 ft AGL would be about right for light aircraft. -Barrett www.FallenStarHunters.com <http://www.fallenstarhunters.com/> www.BarrettsCustomLeather.com <http://www.barrettscustomleather.com/>
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of CenturyLink Customer Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 12:49 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO
Hard to judge those things at night without a frame of reference. The "low altitude" is also difficult to judge. My home is on a lower bench so looking directly west from the back door, the view is already higher than the valley floor. Thinking back, I wasn't looking "up,", but almost "straight ahead." Based on that, a guess of an altiude between 500 and 1000 feet is reasonable.
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LOL, I wasn't taking it that way, I was just saying what the typical light plane is constrained to by the FAA is all, and the leeway the pilot may have. I'd like nothing more for it to be a REAL flying saucer! :) I wish I had seen it... When we lived in North Ogden up on the benches, we used to see a lot of different aircraft appearing to be flying right towards our bedroom window. Everything from ultra lights to F15's and 16's flying around, especially when the air shows were going on at Hill AFB. -Barrett -----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 8:28 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO Emergency and police aircraft have an exemption to altitude limits over populated areas, as well as off-field landings. I wasn't disputing Joan's assertion that what she saw was not a helicopter, I just wanted to point-out that her claim of low altitude, by itself, was not ipso facto proof that it wasn't. On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 7:16 PM, BWFlowers <BWFlowers@comcast.net> wrote:
500 to 1000 feet AGL (Above Ground Level) is the minimum altitudes for aircraft, population dependant. In an area like this when the ground under the plane isn't flat, pilots have a hard time maintaining that exact min. altitude. There is also Class B airspace from 7,000 to 10,000 ft ASL (above sea level) for the bigger jets that are going into SLC International, so smaller aircraft have to stay below the 7,000 ft ASL. In this area that typically gives pilots about a 1,000 foot discretional altitude to stay within. The farther south you are of SLI airport, the more that changes, generally speaking. SO- the 500 to 1000 ft AGL would be about right for light aircraft. -Barrett www.FallenStarHunters.com <http://www.fallenstarhunters.com/> www.BarrettsCustomLeather.com <http://www.barrettscustomleather.com/>
-----Original Message----- From: Utah-Astronomy [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of CenturyLink Customer Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 12:49 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO
Hard to judge those things at night without a frame of reference. The "low altitude" is also difficult to judge. My home is on a lower bench so looking directly west from the back door, the view is already higher than the valley floor. Thinking back, I wasn't looking "up,", but almost "straight ahead." Based on that, a guess of an altiude between 500 and 1000 feet is reasonable.
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