I noticed the timestamp in KSL's simulation of the upcoming solar eclipse is an hour ahead, apparently not compensating for DST. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=20294865&pid=1 If I'm misreading something let me know, but if anyone has any ins with them you might suggest they correct it. Craig
With all the funny time scales surrounding eclipse charts I could be mistaken, but I think the time of 7:30ish for maximum is acurate. On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Craig Smith <cs2560@gmail.com> wrote:
I noticed the timestamp in KSL's simulation of the upcoming solar eclipse is an hour ahead, apparently not compensating for DST.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=20294865&pid=1
If I'm misreading something let me know, but if anyone has any ins with them you might suggest they correct it.
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Yes, in the article the times are accurate, but in the video simulations it starts at 5-ish and ends at 7:30 (the time displayed on the video still is the end time). On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Josh <mountaindrifter@gmail.com> wrote:
With all the funny time scales surrounding eclipse charts I could be mistaken, but I think the time of 7:30ish for maximum is acurate.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Craig Smith <cs2560@gmail.com> wrote:
I noticed the timestamp in KSL's simulation of the upcoming solar eclipse is an hour ahead, apparently not compensating for DST.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=20294865&pid=1
If I'm misreading something let me know, but if anyone has any ins with them you might suggest they correct it.
Craig
I've got to take responsibility for the time error on the KSL news graphic. Those simulations were created using Starry Night software back in February. Turns out that Starry Night thinks Cedar City is in the Pacific Time Zone. Seriously. It also turns out that the same city database used by Starry Night that has the Cedar City error _also_ is used by our Digistar 4 projection system. We all levitated pretty hard over here when we discovered those errors. The words "angry and embarrassed" don't quite cover it. I've been on the phone with the folks who make Starry Night and they've acknowledged the error, but aren't promising any updates to the software any time soon. The best they offered me was an inelegant workaround. The folks at E&S say they know of the error, too, and are working on a patch. How anyone concluded that Cedar City is on Pacific Time is beyond me. So - long story short - the KSL simulations were created by me, and they contained a 1-hour goof, and we thought everything was hunky dory because it matched what Digistar said, and NASA's tables adjusted UTC to Mountain Time but not to MDT, and so I botched it. I apologize. It's since been corrected on our web site and news releases, but that one animation clip made it to KSL and it's apparently still available somehow. I'll check with John Hollenhorst and try to get it taken care of ASAP. Sharp eyes, guys. Seth Jarvis Clark Planetarium -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+sjarvis=slco.org@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+sjarvis=slco.org@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Craig Smith Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:20 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Time Yes, in the article the times are accurate, but in the video simulations it starts at 5-ish and ends at 7:30 (the time displayed on the video still is the end time). On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Josh <mountaindrifter@gmail.com> wrote:
With all the funny time scales surrounding eclipse charts I could be mistaken, but I think the time of 7:30ish for maximum is acurate.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Craig Smith <cs2560@gmail.com> wrote:
I noticed the timestamp in KSL's simulation of the upcoming solar eclipse is an hour ahead, apparently not compensating for DST.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=20294865&pid=1
If I'm misreading something let me know, but if anyone has any ins with them you might suggest they correct it.
Craig
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The video in the above link doesn't give any times other than the maximum eclipse at 7:32 pm. This seems right to me. The nasa web site puts the duration of the eclipse at just over 2 hours and ending within minutes of sunset. If sunset is 8:35ish then it should start 6:30ish and maximum should be 7:30ish. Just trying to figure it out. Is my logic faulty? On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Seth Jarvis <SJarvis@slco.org> wrote:
I've got to take responsibility for the time error on the KSL news graphic.
Those simulations were created using Starry Night software back in February. Turns out that Starry Night thinks Cedar City is in the Pacific Time Zone. Seriously. It also turns out that the same city database used by Starry Night that has the Cedar City error _also_ is used by our Digistar 4 projection system. We all levitated pretty hard over here when we discovered those errors. The words "angry and embarrassed" don't quite cover it.
I've been on the phone with the folks who make Starry Night and they've acknowledged the error, but aren't promising any updates to the software any time soon. The best they offered me was an inelegant workaround. The folks at E&S say they know of the error, too, and are working on a patch.
How anyone concluded that Cedar City is on Pacific Time is beyond me.
So - long story short - the KSL simulations were created by me, and they contained a 1-hour goof, and we thought everything was hunky dory because it matched what Digistar said, and NASA's tables adjusted UTC to Mountain Time but not to MDT, and so I botched it.
I apologize. It's since been corrected on our web site and news releases, but that one animation clip made it to KSL and it's apparently still available somehow. I'll check with John Hollenhorst and try to get it taken care of ASAP.
Sharp eyes, guys.
Seth Jarvis Clark Planetarium
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+sjarvis=slco.org@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+sjarvis=slco.org@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Craig Smith Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:20 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Time
Yes, in the article the times are accurate, but in the video simulations it starts at 5-ish and ends at 7:30 (the time displayed on the video still is the end time).
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Josh <mountaindrifter@gmail.com> wrote:
With all the funny time scales surrounding eclipse charts I could be mistaken, but I think the time of 7:30ish for maximum is acurate.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Craig Smith <cs2560@gmail.com> wrote:
I noticed the timestamp in KSL's simulation of the upcoming solar eclipse is an hour ahead, apparently not compensating for DST.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=20294865&pid=1
If I'm misreading something let me know, but if anyone has any ins with them you might suggest they correct it.
Craig
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Josh, I think you've pretty much got it. We're telling folks that here along the Wasatch Front the eclipse begins (first contact) at about 6:20 PM, maximum (~85% coverage) is right around 7:30 PM, and the eclipse ends at about 8:30, and the Sun sets about 10 minutes later. Seth -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Josh Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:31 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Time The video in the above link doesn't give any times other than the maximum eclipse at 7:32 pm. This seems right to me. The nasa web site puts the duration of the eclipse at just over 2 hours and ending within minutes of sunset. If sunset is 8:35ish then it should start 6:30ish and maximum should be 7:30ish. Just trying to figure it out. Is my logic faulty? On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Seth Jarvis <SJarvis@slco.org> wrote:
I've got to take responsibility for the time error on the KSL news graphic.
Those simulations were created using Starry Night software back in February. Turns out that Starry Night thinks Cedar City is in the Pacific Time Zone. Seriously. It also turns out that the same city database used by Starry Night that has the Cedar City error _also_ is used by our Digistar 4 projection system. We all levitated pretty hard over here when we discovered those errors. The words "angry and embarrassed" don't quite cover it.
I've been on the phone with the folks who make Starry Night and they've acknowledged the error, but aren't promising any updates to the software any time soon. The best they offered me was an inelegant workaround. The folks at E&S say they know of the error, too, and are working on a patch.
How anyone concluded that Cedar City is on Pacific Time is beyond me.
So - long story short - the KSL simulations were created by me, and they contained a 1-hour goof, and we thought everything was hunky dory because it matched what Digistar said, and NASA's tables adjusted UTC to Mountain Time but not to MDT, and so I botched it.
I apologize. It's since been corrected on our web site and news releases, but that one animation clip made it to KSL and it's apparently still available somehow. I'll check with John Hollenhorst and try to get it taken care of ASAP.
Sharp eyes, guys.
Seth Jarvis Clark Planetarium
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+sjarvis=slco.org@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+sjarvis=slco.org@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Craig Smith Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:20 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Time
Yes, in the article the times are accurate, but in the video simulations it starts at 5-ish and ends at 7:30 (the time displayed on the video still is the end time).
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Josh <mountaindrifter@gmail.com> wrote:
With all the funny time scales surrounding eclipse charts I could be mistaken, but I think the time of 7:30ish for maximum is acurate.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Craig Smith <cs2560@gmail.com> wrote:
I noticed the timestamp in KSL's simulation of the upcoming solar eclipse is an hour ahead, apparently not compensating for DST.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=20294865&pid=1
If I'm misreading something let me know, but if anyone has any ins with them you might suggest they correct it.
Craig
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No, the main video with the newscasters is fine; it's the two other videos -- look at the little timestamp on the bottom (small and it moves fast). On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Josh <mountaindrifter@gmail.com> wrote:
The video in the above link doesn't give any times other than the maximum eclipse at 7:32 pm. This seems right to me. The nasa web site puts the duration of the eclipse at just over 2 hours and ending within minutes of sunset. If sunset is 8:35ish then it should start 6:30ish and maximum should be 7:30ish. Just trying to figure it out. Is my logic faulty?
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Seth Jarvis <SJarvis@slco.org> wrote:
I've got to take responsibility for the time error on the KSL news graphic.
Those simulations were created using Starry Night software back in February. Turns out that Starry Night thinks Cedar City is in the Pacific Time Zone. Seriously. It also turns out that the same city database used by Starry Night that has the Cedar City error _also_ is used by our Digistar 4 projection system. We all levitated pretty hard over here when we discovered those errors. The words "angry and embarrassed" don't quite cover it.
I've been on the phone with the folks who make Starry Night and they've acknowledged the error, but aren't promising any updates to the software any time soon. The best they offered me was an inelegant workaround. The folks at E&S say they know of the error, too, and are working on a patch.
How anyone concluded that Cedar City is on Pacific Time is beyond me.
So - long story short - the KSL simulations were created by me, and they contained a 1-hour goof, and we thought everything was hunky dory because it matched what Digistar said, and NASA's tables adjusted UTC to Mountain Time but not to MDT, and so I botched it.
I apologize. It's since been corrected on our web site and news releases, but that one animation clip made it to KSL and it's apparently still available somehow. I'll check with John Hollenhorst and try to get it taken care of ASAP.
Sharp eyes, guys.
Seth Jarvis Clark Planetarium
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+sjarvis=slco.org@mailman.xmission.com[mailto: utah-astronomy-bounces+sjarvis=slco.org@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Craig Smith Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:20 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Time
Yes, in the article the times are accurate, but in the video simulations it starts at 5-ish and ends at 7:30 (the time displayed on the video still is the end time).
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Josh <mountaindrifter@gmail.com> wrote:
With all the funny time scales surrounding eclipse charts I could be mistaken, but I think the time of 7:30ish for maximum is acurate.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Craig Smith <cs2560@gmail.com> wrote:
I noticed the timestamp in KSL's simulation of the upcoming solar eclipse is an hour ahead, apparently not compensating for DST.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=20294865&pid=1
If I'm misreading something let me know, but if anyone has any ins with them you might suggest they correct it.
Craig
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KUTV reported you can see the eclipse at Kannarville away from the city lights.
No, the main video with the newscasters is fine; it's the two other videos
-- look at the little timestamp on the bottom (small and it moves fast).
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Josh <mountaindrifter@gmail.com> wrote:
The video in the above link doesn't give any times other than the maximum eclipse at 7:32 pm. This seems right to me. The nasa web site puts the duration of the eclipse at just over 2 hours and ending within minutes of sunset. If sunset is 8:35ish then it should start 6:30ish and maximum should be 7:30ish. Just trying to figure it out. Is my logic faulty?
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Seth Jarvis <SJarvis@slco.org> wrote:
I've got to take responsibility for the time error on the KSL news graphic.
Those simulations were created using Starry Night software back in February. Turns out that Starry Night thinks Cedar City is in the Pacific Time Zone. Seriously. It also turns out that the same city database used by Starry Night that has the Cedar City error _also_ is used by our Digistar 4 projection system. We all levitated pretty hard over here when we discovered those errors. The words "angry and embarrassed" don't quite cover it.
I've been on the phone with the folks who make Starry Night and they've acknowledged the error, but aren't promising any updates to the software any time soon. The best they offered me was an inelegant workaround. The folks at E&S say they know of the error, too, and are working on a patch.
How anyone concluded that Cedar City is on Pacific Time is beyond me.
So - long story short - the KSL simulations were created by me, and they contained a 1-hour goof, and we thought everything was hunky dory because it matched what Digistar said, and NASA's tables adjusted UTC to Mountain Time but not to MDT, and so I botched it.
I apologize. It's since been corrected on our web site and news releases, but that one animation clip made it to KSL and it's apparently still available somehow. I'll check with John Hollenhorst and try to get it taken care of ASAP.
Sharp eyes, guys.
Seth Jarvis Clark Planetarium
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+sjarvis=slco.org@mailman.xmission.com[mailto: utah-astronomy-bounces+sjarvis=slco.org@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Craig Smith Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:20 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Time
Yes, in the article the times are accurate, but in the video simulations it starts at 5-ish and ends at 7:30 (the time displayed on the video still is the end time).
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Josh <mountaindrifter@gmail.com> wrote:
With all the funny time scales surrounding eclipse charts I could be mistaken, but I think the time of 7:30ish for maximum is acurate.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Craig Smith <cs2560@gmail.com> wrote:
I noticed the timestamp in KSL's simulation of the upcoming solar eclipse is an hour ahead, apparently not compensating for DST.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=20294865&pid=1
If I'm misreading something let me know, but if anyone has any ins with them you might suggest they correct it.
Craig
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Oh - it's an easy fix. Just put your solar filter on the front of the scope and your light polution filter on the eyepiece! ;) x2 -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jared Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:23 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Time On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 7:20 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
KUTV reported you can see the eclipse at Kannarville away from the city lights.
I'm so sick of light pollution interfering with my solar observing. ;-) Jared _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
I have it, on good authority, that Cedar City is planning to turn off all outdoor lights for this event.
Oh - it's an easy fix. Just put your solar filter on the front of the
scope and your light polution filter on the eyepiece!
;) x2
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jared Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:23 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Time
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 7:20 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
KUTV reported you can see the eclipse at Kannarville away from the city lights.
I'm so sick of light pollution interfering with my solar observing. ;-)
Jared
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In all seriousness, it might not be a bad place to observe come nightfall, no? On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 4:19 PM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
I have it, on good authority, that Cedar City is planning to turn off all outdoor lights for this event.
Oh - it's an easy fix. Just put your solar filter on the front of the
scope and your light polution filter on the eyepiece!
;) x2
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jared Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:23 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Time
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 7:20 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
KUTV reported you can see the eclipse at Kannarville away from the city lights.
I'm so sick of light pollution interfering with my solar observing. ;-)
Jared
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Once the dust settles!
In all seriousness, it might not be a bad place to observe come nightfall,
no?
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 4:19 PM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
I have it, on good authority, that Cedar City is planning to turn off all outdoor lights for this event.
Oh - it's an easy fix. Just put your solar filter on the front of the
scope and your light polution filter on the eyepiece!
;) x2
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jared Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:23 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Time
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 7:20 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
KUTV reported you can see the eclipse at Kannarville away from the city lights.
I'm so sick of light pollution interfering with my solar observing. ;-)
Jared
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Ain't that the truth! I was out at Beryl on Sunday, and it has been pretty dry down in that neck of the woods. I was out on a farm road and it was just like being out at Lakeside in the summer. I'd take a blanket to cover equipment with while folks drive out. I also spoke to a sheriff's deputy I met on the road. He said that as long as people weren't impeding the flow of traffic, tearing up anyone's yard or interfering with anyone's access to their property, parking would be pretty-much where you'd like. So if you find it too crowded at cedar City or K'ville, consider driving just a few miles further west! On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:23 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Once the dust settles!
In all seriousness, it might not be a bad place to observe come nightfall,
no?
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 4:19 PM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
I have it, on good authority, that Cedar City is planning to turn off all outdoor lights for this event.
Oh - it's an easy fix. Just put your solar filter on the front of the
scope and your light polution filter on the eyepiece!
;) x2
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jared Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:23 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Time
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 7:20 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
KUTV reported you can see the eclipse at Kannarville away from the city lights.
I'm so sick of light pollution interfering with my solar observing. ;-)
Jared
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No worries at all! It's not your fault, and it's not a big deal either. That's really interesting that the city database was off! Those simulations are fantastic and really helpful, even for someone who is familiar with the concept. Thanks very much. I just think KSL should keep that article link on the main page down under the Features or Weather sections on the right side. On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Seth Jarvis <SJarvis@slco.org> wrote:
I've got to take responsibility for the time error on the KSL news graphic.
Those simulations were created using Starry Night software back in February. Turns out that Starry Night thinks Cedar City is in the Pacific Time Zone. Seriously. It also turns out that the same city database used by Starry Night that has the Cedar City error _also_ is used by our Digistar 4 projection system. We all levitated pretty hard over here when we discovered those errors. The words "angry and embarrassed" don't quite cover it.
I've been on the phone with the folks who make Starry Night and they've acknowledged the error, but aren't promising any updates to the software any time soon. The best they offered me was an inelegant workaround. The folks at E&S say they know of the error, too, and are working on a patch.
How anyone concluded that Cedar City is on Pacific Time is beyond me.
So - long story short - the KSL simulations were created by me, and they contained a 1-hour goof, and we thought everything was hunky dory because it matched what Digistar said, and NASA's tables adjusted UTC to Mountain Time but not to MDT, and so I botched it.
I apologize. It's since been corrected on our web site and news releases, but that one animation clip made it to KSL and it's apparently still available somehow. I'll check with John Hollenhorst and try to get it taken care of ASAP.
Sharp eyes, guys.
Seth Jarvis Clark Planetarium
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+sjarvis=slco.org@mailman.xmission.com[mailto: utah-astronomy-bounces+sjarvis=slco.org@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Craig Smith Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:20 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Time
Yes, in the article the times are accurate, but in the video simulations it starts at 5-ish and ends at 7:30 (the time displayed on the video still is the end time).
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Josh <mountaindrifter@gmail.com> wrote:
With all the funny time scales surrounding eclipse charts I could be mistaken, but I think the time of 7:30ish for maximum is acurate.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Craig Smith <cs2560@gmail.com> wrote:
I noticed the timestamp in KSL's simulation of the upcoming solar eclipse is an hour ahead, apparently not compensating for DST.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=20294865&pid=1
If I'm misreading something let me know, but if anyone has any ins with them you might suggest they correct it.
Craig
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