Well, I'd just put my batteries in the bus' luggage compartment. No big deal. ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool Think about how to power your equipment if you take the bus. On Jan 20, 2012 10:36 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Jay, what I am talking about is SLAS hiring a bus with some of the club's excess money. So for SLAS members, if this option is chosen, the question wouldn't be one of sharing gas costs. Don't forget, club members worked very hard for ALCON and as a result received a contribution that was a great deal more than a bus rental would cost. -- Joe

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Lots of talk of buses and stuff to the Eclipse next May.  I am just curious that if I was willing to drive, would anyone be interested in car pooling down?  I can fit four comfortably but if enough people are interested in this, we could look at a rental of a mini-van and fit 6 in one.

Anyone I am just curious if anyone is interesting in car pooling and sharing the cost of gas?

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I don't think a lot of people will be photographing the eclipse; at least, when we went to the annular in New Mexico, it was largely a viewing experience. I had my 8-inch along and don't think I bothered to track. For something as short as a series of eclipse photos I don't think I would even need auxiliary power for my laptop, but would for my SBIG camera -- just one battery. Anyway, nobody has to go who doesn't want to. I just thought it would be a pleasant club outing. Thanks, Joe ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool What I'm suggesting is that some people who normally use their car battery will have to purchase a power tank or similar. On Jan 20, 2012 11:06 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:

Well, I'd just put my batteries in the bus' luggage compartment. No big deal.

________________________________   From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool

Think about how to power your equipment if you take the bus. On Jan 20, 2012 10:36 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

Hi Jay, what I am talking about is SLAS hiring a bus with some of the club's excess money. So for SLAS members, if this option is chosen, the question wouldn't be one of sharing gas costs. Don't forget, club members worked very hard for ALCON and as a result received a contribution that was a great deal more than a bus rental would cost. -- Joe

________________________________   From: Jay Eads <jayleads@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:22 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool

Lots of talk of buses and stuff to the Eclipse next May.  I am just curious that if I was willing to drive, would anyone be interested in car pooling down?  I can fit four comfortably but if enough people are interested in this, we could look at a rental of a mini-van and fit 6 in one.

Anyone I am just curious if anyone is interesting in car pooling and sharing the cost of gas?

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That's right, Chuck. Those who want a two-fer with the new moon down south wouldn't want to be on the bus. But I think Cory and other spouses who don't normally go on astronomical outings, might enjoy a group jaunt like this. Thanks, Joe ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool OK, I get you.  This is a quick, one day outing, there and back.  I was just thinking that since it will be New Moon, some people were planning on piggybacking some night-time observing from southern Utah, in the same trip, and kill two birds with one stone. On 1/20/12, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:

I don't think a lot of people will be photographing the eclipse; at least, when we went to the annular in New Mexico, it was largely a viewing experience. I had my 8-inch along and don't think I bothered to track. For something as short as a series of eclipse photos I don't think I would even need auxiliary power for my laptop, but would for my SBIG camera -- just one battery. Anyway, nobody has to go who doesn't want to. I just thought it would be a pleasant club outing. Thanks, Joe

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What about the people who worked for ALCON subsidizing the enjoyment of the others in SLAS by the donation we earned? How do we work that? Do you propose that we buy an "ALCON scope" that can only be used by those of us who volunteered time at ALCON? Siegfried can use it because he was there helping, but Patrick can't? ________________________________ From: Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool I don't think this is an appropriate expense for the astronomical society. The society shouldn't subsidize some member's travel expenses and not other's. Frankly it shouldn't subsidize any. The people on the bus should pay for the bus! Siegfried On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com>wrote:

That's right, Chuck. Those who want a two-fer with the new moon down south wouldn't want to be on the bus. But I think Cory and other spouses who don't normally go on astronomical outings, might enjoy a group jaunt like this. Thanks, Joe

________________________________   From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool

OK, I get you.  This is a quick, one day outing, there and back.  I was just thinking that since it will be New Moon, some people were planning on piggybacking some night-time observing from southern Utah, in the same trip, and kill two birds with one stone.

On 1/20/12, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

I don't think a lot of people will be photographing the eclipse; at least, when we went to the annular in New Mexico, it was largely a viewing experience. I had my 8-inch along and don't think I bothered to track. For something as short as a series of eclipse photos I don't think I would even need auxiliary power for my laptop, but would for my SBIG camera -- just one battery. Anyway, nobody has to go who doesn't want to. I just thought it would be a pleasant club outing. Thanks, Joe

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I absolutely don't extend that concept or endorse that idea at all. I was dissing it. My point was that we SHOULD NOT restrict what we can use club funds for, based on how they got there. Siegfried said, "The society shouldn't subsidize some member's travel expenses and not other's. Frankly it shouldn't subsidize any. The people on the bus should pay for the bus!" My point is that club money should be spent for club enjoyment open to anyone in the group. What's wrong with that? SLAS members pay dues but then don't necessarily avail themselves of everything the club has to offer -- for example, someone skips a meeting when we have paid for a speaker's transportation. He is then subsidizing the others' enjoyment. So what? Anyway, such a crotchety, antisocial attitude that we should not have an enjoyable time together is enough to make someone drop out of SLAS. ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool On 1/21/12, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:

What about the people who worked for ALCON subsidizing the enjoyment of the others in SLAS by the donation we earned? How do we work that? Do you propose that we buy an "ALCON scope" that can only be used by those of us who volunteered time at ALCON? Siegfried can use it because he was there helping, but Patrick can't?

Do you extend that concept to those who worked for the ZAP grants? Those who get donations for holding star-parties?  Those who make unsolicited private donations? I've always assumed that volunteer work is simply that.  Volunteer. People do public service for the warm fuzzy, not for any kind of material compensation. I think Ziggy has a valid point. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php

Lol! -Chuck (Curmudgeon-at-large) On Jan 21, 2012 3:44 PM, "Dave Gary" <davegary@me.com> wrote:

Crotchety and antisocial attitude! Joe, those are my personal ideals you're talking about. Without crotchety and antisocial by my side I'd wither away and die.

Dave

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On Jan 21, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:

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I absolutely don't extend that concept or endorse that idea at all. I was dissing it. My point was that we SHOULD NOT restrict what we can use club funds for, based on how they got there. Siegfried said, "The society shouldn't subsidize some member's travel expenses and not other's. Frankly it shouldn't subsidize any. The people on the bus should pay for the bus!" My point is that club money should be spent for club enjoyment open to anyone in the group. What's wrong with that? SLAS members pay dues but then don't necessarily avail themselves of everything the club has to offer -- for example, someone skips a meeting when we have paid for a speaker's transportation. He is then subsidizing the others' enjoyment. So what? Anyway, such a crotchety, antisocial attitude that we should not have an enjoyable time together is enough to make someone drop out of SLAS.

________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool

On 1/21/12, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

What about the people who worked for ALCON subsidizing the enjoyment of the others in SLAS by the donation we earned? How do we work that? Do you propose that we buy an "ALCON scope" that can only be used by those of us who volunteered time at ALCON? Siegfried can use it because he was there helping, but Patrick can't?

Do you extend that concept to those who worked for the ZAP grants? Those who get donations for holding star-parties? Those who make unsolicited private donations?

I've always assumed that volunteer work is simply that. Volunteer. People do public service for the warm fuzzy, not for any kind of material compensation.

I think Ziggy has a valid point.

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Erik, the difference between that ballot and what we're now discussing is the idea that the bus would be rented with excess general fund money, rather than each person assessed a cost. There is a new proposal not covered by the November Nova results. ________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool

From the November "Nova"

"Also on the online ballot was a space for members to state their plans for next year's annular eclipse. Results were as follows: 13 said they preferred to take the SLAS chartered bus to the eclipse centerline. 12 said they would attend the Bryce Canyon Astronomy Festival and observe the eclipse from there. 3 said they would attend the Bryce Canyon Astronomy Festival and then travel to the centerline to observe the eclipse. 18 said they would travel on their own to the eclipse. 12 said they have no plans regarding the eclipse." Erik L _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php

Siegfried, the point is that we have a general fund that will be spent on something. Why is it so awful if it's spent on a club excursion? What else do you propose as a use for this money? ________________________________ From: Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool Let's see Joe, the dues are $20 and you're suggesting the club pays $80 for your and Corey's transportation (using Tom's numbers)? What's wrong with that picture? There you go with the name calling again. On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:

I absolutely don't extend that concept or endorse that idea at all. I was dissing it. My point was that we SHOULD NOT restrict what we can use club funds for, based on how they got there. Siegfried said, "The society shouldn't subsidize some member's travel expenses and not other's. Frankly it shouldn't subsidize any. The people on the bus should pay for the bus!" My point is that club money should be spent for club enjoyment open to anyone in the group. What's wrong with that? SLAS members pay dues but then don't necessarily avail themselves of everything the club has to offer -- for example, someone skips a meeting when we have paid for a speaker's transportation. He is then subsidizing the others' enjoyment. So what? Anyway, such a crotchety, antisocial attitude that we should not have an enjoyable time together is enough to make someone drop out of SLAS.

________________________________   From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool

On 1/21/12, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

What about the people who worked for ALCON subsidizing the enjoyment of the others in SLAS by the donation we earned? How do we work that? Do you propose that we buy an "ALCON scope" that can only be used by those of us who volunteered time at ALCON? Siegfried can use it because he was there helping, but Patrick can't?

Do you extend that concept to those who worked for the ZAP grants? Those who get donations for holding star-parties?  Those who make unsolicited private donations?

I've always assumed that volunteer work is simply that.  Volunteer. People do public service for the warm fuzzy, not for any kind of material compensation.

I think Ziggy has a valid point.

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Joe, you are way off base. Where did I propose an "ALCON scope"? Don't presume to speak for me. Your rational is irrational. Chuck is right, volunteering is not compensated. Everytime I have "volunteered" at Bryce it has cost me hundreds of dollars. I view the eclipse trip as a private star party. We don't even reimburse gas for public star parties. Nobody reimburses the people going to the PIT. That is just as much a private party as this is. Nobody reimburses travel to and from SPOC. Are you suggesting that SLAS pay for all SLAS related travel? Should SLAS pay for my gas? ... let's see, 260 miles each way, 22 miles per gallon, 23+ gallons at $2.85. OK, that's about $67. You get SLAS to pay me that and I'm fine with it. Traditionally we have all paid our own way and I think it should remain that way. Siegfried On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com>wrote:

What about the people who worked for ALCON subsidizing the enjoyment of the others in SLAS by the donation we earned? How do we work that? Do you propose that we buy an "ALCON scope" that can only be used by those of us who volunteered time at ALCON? Siegfried can use it because he was there helping, but Patrick can't?

________________________________ From: Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool

I don't think this is an appropriate expense for the astronomical society. The society shouldn't subsidize some member's travel expenses and not other's. Frankly it shouldn't subsidize any. The people on the bus should pay for the bus!

Siegfried

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com

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wrote:

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That's right, Chuck. Those who want a two-fer with the new moon down south wouldn't want to be on the bus. But I think Cory and other spouses who don't normally go on astronomical outings, might enjoy a group jaunt like this. Thanks, Joe

________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool

OK, I get you. This is a quick, one day outing, there and back. I was just thinking that since it will be New Moon, some people were planning on piggybacking some night-time observing from southern Utah, in the same trip, and kill two birds with one stone.

On 1/20/12, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

I don't think a lot of people will be photographing the eclipse; at least, when we went to the annular in New Mexico, it was largely a viewing experience. I had my 8-inch along and don't think I bothered to track. For something as short as a series of eclipse photos I don't think I would even need auxiliary power for my laptop, but would for my SBIG camera -- just one battery. Anyway, nobody has to go who doesn't want to. I just thought it would be a pleasant club outing. Thanks, Joe

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Hello all, I thought a bus would be a good idea and I still do, but it's not worth it if the proposal is just going to stir up anger. The idea was to generate a good time as a group. I would rather drop the whole thing if it's such a hassle. But if there is interest in it, I don't think an on-line poll is the way to asses it. We should just vote it up or down at the general meeting. -- Truly best wishes, Joe ________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool (poll update) Hi all, It's starting to get a bit uncomfortable here. So before the flames start to spread I thought I'd let y'all know how the SLAS Blast poll is going. As of a few minutes ago, 2 have voted for the idea of SLAS paying for a bus.  A few others have suggested the bus is a good idea but that they'd be willing to pay or that they should pay. The rest have told me of their plans to go on their own. And, yes, there have been a few (let's call them "stern") remarks against the idea. The SLAS Blast only went out a coupe of days ago and it is the weekend when some folks do not go online so maybe we'll get a few more votes Monday. But, really folks, there does not appear to be a great deal of support for the idea so let's not go all Romney/Gingrich here over something that may not even happen.  :) patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php

Everyone, what's say we take this off list? Please? Arguing about it here is only going to make more people leave the list and will accomplish nothing. Besides, this is not a SLAS list. If you want to discuss controversial SLAS-related topics please do so at the next SLAS board meeting. patrick On 22 Jan 2012, at 00:22, Joe Bauman wrote:

You missed my point, Siegfried. Maybe I didn't express it clearly enough. What I meant to say is that we DO NOT restrict spending of club money based on contributions of anything. I never said you proposed an ALCON scope. I meant to say the thought that the club is somehow "subsidizing" someone who is not worthy of a subsidy (i.e., by renting a bus) is as silly as saying an ALCON scope should only be available for those who worked at ALCON and earned money for it -- otherwise they would be "subsidizing" the others. You're the one who brought up the argument against subsidizing and I was commenting on it. Of course we volunteer out of the wish to help others and not with the thought of getting anything else out of it. So you view the eclipse trip as a private party. But what if others view it as a club excursion?

Siegfried, I totally agree with you and I was planning on being at the next board meeting to express this. Thanks Rodger Fry -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Siegfried Jachmann Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:23 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool I don't think this is an appropriate expense for the astronomical society. The society shouldn't subsidize some member's travel expenses and not other's. Frankly it shouldn't subsidize any. The people on the bus should pay for the bus! Siegfried On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com>wrote:

That's right, Chuck. Those who want a two-fer with the new moon down south wouldn't want to be on the bus. But I think Cory and other spouses who don't normally go on astronomical outings, might enjoy a group jaunt like this. Thanks, Joe

________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool

OK, I get you. This is a quick, one day outing, there and back. I was just thinking that since it will be New Moon, some people were planning on piggybacking some night-time observing from southern Utah, in the same trip, and kill two birds with one stone.

On 1/20/12, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

I don't think a lot of people will be photographing the eclipse; at least, when we went to the annular in New Mexico, it was largely a viewing experience. I had my 8-inch along and don't think I bothered to track. For something as short as a series of eclipse photos I don't think I would even need auxiliary power for my laptop, but would for my SBIG camera -- just one battery. Anyway, nobody has to go who doesn't want to. I just thought it would be a pleasant club outing. Thanks, Joe

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Why don't we put it to a vote at the general meeting? I'll be happy to go along with whatever the majority wants. But I'm tired of arguing just now. If people don't want to go on a club outing, fine. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool On 1/21/12, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:

That's right, Chuck. Those who want a two-fer with the new moon down south wouldn't want to be on the bus. But I think Cory and other spouses who don't normally go on astronomical outings, might enjoy a group jaunt like this.

Since the eclipse occurs at sunset for southern Utah, be sure to tell your spouses that you probably won't be pulling back into SLC until the wee hours of the morning.  Add time to transfer your stuff from the bus to your car, drive home, and my bet is that some people will be getting to bed just before dawn, unless you can sleep well on a bus during the trip home and just stay up. I don't know, Joe, a private car and hotel room sounds more spouse-friendly, to me. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php

Great, Chuck, I agree -- all of our discourse should be friendly. Best wishes to you, Sigfried, Rob and anyone else I've disagreed with on any issue. I'm not mad and I harbor no ill feelings toward anyone involved in our pastime. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Car Pool I'm not arguing at all, Joe, and not upset in the least.  I was just trying to get to the root of what's going on.  I even toyed with the bus idea myself, for a while.  So I can't see why you're calling Siegfrieds idea (and my endorsement) "crotchety and anti-social". What gives?  Please accept my personal apology if I offended you. SLAS spends quite a bit of money on it's members.  SPOC is a prime example, and during the observing season, anyone can train and use it who has the time. Club outings are a great idea.  A vote sounds like the perfect way to settle it, framed constitutionally.  Just remember that the more diverse a club is, the less likely it will be to come up with an idea that will garner a majority vote.  And a negative response doesn't mean it's a bad idea, it just means that it's not practical in light of the membership-at-large. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php