Hi fellow SLAS members, Y'all might have noticed the unofficial survey posted here last week about folks' intentions regarding next year's annular eclipse. Some (though not many) responded. Thanks to all who did. SLAS members should have received an official SLAS Blast earlier today from SLAS prez Rodger Fry asking basically the same question. Please respond to the Blast, even if you had previously gave your opinion here. SLAS really needs to get an idea about members' plan so Rodger can plan accordingly (specifically, if few people want to take the bus there's no sense in chartering one). So, again, please reply to today's survey from Rodger, even if you already replied to the one posted here last week. Clear skies, patrick
All should note the difference between Bryce Canyon and Kannerville is all of 13 seconds more of annularity.
Hi fellow SLAS members,
Y'all might have noticed the unofficial survey posted here last week about folks' intentions regarding next year's annular eclipse. Some (though not many) responded. Thanks to all who did.
SLAS members should have received an official SLAS Blast earlier today from SLAS prez Rodger Fry asking basically the same question.
Please respond to the Blast, even if you had previously gave your opinion here.
SLAS really needs to get an idea about members' plan so Rodger can plan accordingly (specifically, if few people want to take the bus there's no sense in chartering one).
So, again, please reply to today's survey from Rodger, even if you already replied to the one posted here last week.
Clear skies,
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Probably more important than length of annularity is how close to the centerline the site is. If it's to the side of the centerline the moon won't be right in the middle, giving a lopsided ring. For the moon to be evenly surrounded by sunlight, you'd need to be right on the centerline. -- Joe ________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse survey
All should note the difference between Bryce Canyon and Kannerville is all of 13 seconds more of annularity.
Hi fellow SLAS members,
Y'all might have noticed the unofficial survey posted here last week about folks' intentions regarding next year's annular eclipse. Some (though not many) responded. Thanks to all who did.
SLAS members should have received an official SLAS Blast earlier today from SLAS prez Rodger Fry asking basically the same question.
Please respond to the Blast, even if you had previously gave your opinion here.
SLAS really needs to get an idea about members' plan so Rodger can plan accordingly (specifically, if few people want to take the bus there's no sense in chartering one).
So, again, please reply to today's survey from Rodger, even if you already replied to the one posted here last week.
Clear skies,
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Well, it will not be in the middle for long. If that is important to people then they should go to the centerline. If I was in Bryce, it does seem like a long drive for a few seconds of the moon evenly surrounded by the sun. It will be lopsided for the vast majority of the eclipse.
Probably more important than length of annularity is how close to the
centerline the site is. If it's to the side of the centerline the moon won't be right in the middle, giving a lopsided ring. For the moon to be evenly surrounded by sunlight, you'd need to be right on the centerline. -- Joe
________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse survey
All should note the difference between Bryce Canyon and Kannerville is all of 13 seconds more of annularity.
Hi fellow SLAS members,
Y'all might have noticed the unofficial survey posted here last week about folks' intentions regarding next year's annular eclipse. Some (though not many) responded. Thanks to all who did.
SLAS members should have received an official SLAS Blast earlier today from SLAS prez Rodger Fry asking basically the same question.
Please respond to the Blast, even if you had previously gave your opinion here.
SLAS really needs to get an idea about members' plan so Rodger can plan accordingly (specifically, if few people want to take the bus there's no sense in chartering one).
So, again, please reply to today's survey from Rodger, even if you already replied to the one posted here last week.
Clear skies,
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Eric, am I right in thinking that, from Bryce, you w/not be able to see the "ring of fire"? Some posts back I believe some one said, that seeing the annular eclipse, but not the ring of fire, was like kissing your sister. I am actually toying with the idea of a couple of frigid days at Bryce as I really do want to support Kevin Poe, then going to Page, which is adjacent to the centerline. 73, lh On 9/13/2011 12:55 PM, erikhansen@thebluezone.net wrote:
All should note the difference between Bryce Canyon and Kannerville is all of 13 seconds more of annularity.
Hi fellow SLAS members,
Y'all might have noticed the unofficial survey posted here last week about folks' intentions regarding next year's annular eclipse. Some (though not many) responded. Thanks to all who did.
SLAS members should have received an official SLAS Blast earlier today from SLAS prez Rodger Fry asking basically the same question.
Please respond to the Blast, even if you had previously gave your opinion here.
SLAS really needs to get an idea about members' plan so Rodger can plan accordingly (specifically, if few people want to take the bus there's no sense in chartering one).
So, again, please reply to today's survey from Rodger, even if you already replied to the one posted here last week.
Clear skies,
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The "ring of fire" refers to the annular at sunset or sunrise, not an annular in general, because the colors are deeper orange and even red. Remember the picture Deloy posted, those colors would not be possible if the eclipse was at noon. The "ring of fire" has nothing to do with the centerline, you will still see the sun eclipsed as it sets that is the "ring of fire". I doubt the difference would even be noticeable. It is only important to be centerline for a total because it lengthens the time of totally.
I just think it is important if people are going to vote they should be aware the difference between the 2 sites. I get the impression people thought Bryce on the edge of visibility, this is not the case as it is not very far off the center and it is certainly more scenic than areas being considered. On the edge of visibility the eclipse will last less than a minute at Bryce it is well over 4 minutes. The post was "not being at centerline for an annular is like kissing your sister", the saying is really "an annular eclipse is like kissing your sister". Eric, am I right in thinking that, from Bryce, you w/not be able to see
the "ring of fire"? Some posts back I believe some one said, that seeing the annular eclipse, but not the ring of fire, was like kissing your sister. I am actually toying with the idea of a couple of frigid days at Bryce as I really do want to support Kevin Poe, then going to Page, which is adjacent to the centerline. 73, lh
On 9/13/2011 12:55 PM, erikhansen@thebluezone.net wrote:
All should note the difference between Bryce Canyon and Kannerville is all of 13 seconds more of annularity.
Hi fellow SLAS members,
Y'all might have noticed the unofficial survey posted here last week about folks' intentions regarding next year's annular eclipse. Some (though not many) responded. Thanks to all who did.
SLAS members should have received an official SLAS Blast earlier today from SLAS prez Rodger Fry asking basically the same question.
Please respond to the Blast, even if you had previously gave your opinion here.
SLAS really needs to get an idea about members' plan so Rodger can plan accordingly (specifically, if few people want to take the bus there's no sense in chartering one).
So, again, please reply to today's survey from Rodger, even if you already replied to the one posted here last week.
Clear skies,
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Erik is right on, on this issue. At any location within the eclipse path, the moon will pass in front of the sun - at some point during the eclipse, it will be "centered." The centerline refers to the longest amount of time that the eclipse will last - time wise. ----- Original Message ----- From: erikhansen@thebluezone.net To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:52:53 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse survey
The "ring of fire" refers to the annular at sunset or sunrise, not an annular in general, because the colors are deeper orange and even red. Remember the picture Deloy posted, those colors would not be possible if the eclipse was at noon. The "ring of fire" has nothing to do with the centerline, you will still see the sun eclipsed as it sets that is the "ring of fire". I doubt the difference would even be noticeable. It is only important to be centerline for a total because it lengthens the time of totally.
I just think it is important if people are going to vote they should be aware the difference between the 2 sites. I get the impression people thought Bryce on the edge of visibility, this is not the case as it is not very far off the center and it is certainly more scenic than areas being considered. On the edge of visibility the eclipse will last less than a minute at Bryce it is well over 4 minutes. The post was "not being at centerline for an annular is like kissing your sister", the saying is really "an annular eclipse is like kissing your sister". Eric, am I right in thinking that, from Bryce, you w/not be able to see
the "ring of fire"? Some posts back I believe some one said, that seeing the annular eclipse, but not the ring of fire, was like kissing your sister. I am actually toying with the idea of a couple of frigid days at Bryce as I really do want to support Kevin Poe, then going to Page, which is adjacent to the centerline. 73, lh
On 9/13/2011 12:55 PM, erikhansen@thebluezone.net wrote:
All should note the difference between Bryce Canyon and Kannerville is all of 13 seconds more of annularity.
Hi fellow SLAS members,
Y'all might have noticed the unofficial survey posted here last week about folks' intentions regarding next year's annular eclipse. Some (though not many) responded. Thanks to all who did.
SLAS members should have received an official SLAS Blast earlier today from SLAS prez Rodger Fry asking basically the same question.
Please respond to the Blast, even if you had previously gave your opinion here.
SLAS really needs to get an idea about members' plan so Rodger can plan accordingly (specifically, if few people want to take the bus there's no sense in chartering one).
So, again, please reply to today's survey from Rodger, even if you already replied to the one posted here last week.
Clear skies,
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No, if you are to the east of the centerline, the moon will slide along the east side of your view. You have to be at the center to get it in the middle. -- Joe ________________________________ From: "jcarman6@q.com" <jcarman6@q.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse survey Erik is right on, on this issue. At any location within the eclipse path, the moon will pass in front of the sun - at some point during the eclipse, it will be "centered." The centerline refers to the longest amount of time that the eclipse will last - time wise. ----- Original Message ----- From: erikhansen@thebluezone.net To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:52:53 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse survey
The "ring of fire" refers to the annular at sunset or sunrise, not an annular in general, because the colors are deeper orange and even red. Remember the picture Deloy posted, those colors would not be possible if the eclipse was at noon. The "ring of fire" has nothing to do with the centerline, you will still see the sun eclipsed as it sets that is the "ring of fire". I doubt the difference would even be noticeable. It is only important to be centerline for a total because it lengthens the time of totally.
I just think it is important if people are going to vote they should be aware the difference between the 2 sites. I get the impression people thought Bryce on the edge of visibility, this is not the case as it is not very far off the center and it is certainly more scenic than areas being considered. On the edge of visibility the eclipse will last less than a minute at Bryce it is well over 4 minutes. The post was "not being at centerline for an annular is like kissing your sister", the saying is really "an annular eclipse is like kissing your sister". Eric, am I right in thinking that, from Bryce, you w/not be able to see
the "ring of fire"? Some posts back I believe some one said, that seeing the annular eclipse, but not the ring of fire, was like kissing your sister. I am actually toying with the idea of a couple of frigid days at Bryce as I really do want to support Kevin Poe, then going to Page, which is adjacent to the centerline. 73, lh
On 9/13/2011 12:55 PM, erikhansen@thebluezone.net wrote:
All should note the difference between Bryce Canyon and Kannerville is all of 13 seconds more of annularity.
Hi fellow SLAS members,
Y'all might have noticed the unofficial survey posted here last week about folks' intentions regarding next year's annular eclipse. Some (though not many) responded. Thanks to all who did.
SLAS members should have received an official SLAS Blast earlier today from SLAS prez Rodger Fry asking basically the same question.
Please respond to the Blast, even if you had previously gave your opinion here.
SLAS really needs to get an idea about members' plan so Rodger can plan accordingly (specifically, if few people want to take the bus there's no sense in chartering one).
So, again, please reply to today's survey from Rodger, even if you already replied to the one posted here last week.
Clear skies,
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I thought that since the sun and moon are moving roughly east to west across the sky that the farther south of the center line you go the farther north the moon will cross in front of the sun, and vise versa. Any thoughts? Josh
Does anyone have a planetarium program that can simulate the eclipse at a decent scale? That would answer a lot of questions about appearance at a given location.
working on it right now On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a planetarium program that can simulate the eclipse at a decent scale?
That would answer a lot of questions about appearance at a given location.
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I have "The Sky" and ran two simulations. One for Kanarraville and one for Cedar Breaks. There is a CLEAR difference between the "ring of fire" at both locations. Centerline - centered, Cedar Breaks, minimal sun on the lower end. Still, don't think that will be critical at Cedar Breaks photograph wise, but now ..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:05:30 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse survey Does anyone have a planetarium program that can simulate the eclipse at a decent scale? That would answer a lot of questions about appearance at a given location. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
Oh yes, I think you're right. But what I was trying to say was that if you're to one side of the centerline the moon would be offset from the middle. I just chose "east" arbitrarily. You can do a mental experiment to see the truth of this: just imagine looking at the eclipse from completely out of the centerline. You'll see a partial on one side. Then move onto the very edge of the centerline. It will be a complete annular, but offset. Then move to the middle, and it's centered. Keep going and it's off to the other side. -- Joe ________________________________ From: Josh <mountaindrifter@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse survey I thought that since the sun and moon are moving roughly east to west across the sky that the farther south of the center line you go the farther north the moon will cross in front of the sun, and vise versa. Any thoughts? Josh _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
Centered to me means like a bullseye. Centered both vertically and horizontally. That can only happen on the centerline. The exact centering will only last a moment. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:00 AM, <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
Erik is right on, on this issue. At any location within the eclipse path, the moon will pass in front of the sun - at some point during the eclipse, it will be "centered." The centerline refers to the longest amount of time that the eclipse will last - time wise.
----- Original Message ----- From: erikhansen@thebluezone.net To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:52:53 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse survey
The "ring of fire" refers to the annular at sunset or sunrise, not an annular in general, because the colors are deeper orange and even red. Remember the picture Deloy posted, those colors would not be possible if the eclipse was at noon. The "ring of fire" has nothing to do with the centerline, you will still see the sun eclipsed as it sets that is the "ring of fire". I doubt the difference would even be noticeable. It is only important to be centerline for a total because it lengthens the time of totally.
I just think it is important if people are going to vote they should be aware the difference between the 2 sites. I get the impression people thought Bryce on the edge of visibility, this is not the case as it is not very far off the center and it is certainly more scenic than areas being considered. On the edge of visibility the eclipse will last less than a minute at Bryce it is well over 4 minutes.
The post was "not being at centerline for an annular is like kissing your sister", the saying is really "an annular eclipse is like kissing your sister".
Eric, am I right in thinking that, from Bryce, you w/not be able to see
the "ring of fire"? Some posts back I believe some one said, that seeing the annular eclipse, but not the ring of fire, was like kissing your sister. I am actually toying with the idea of a couple of frigid days at Bryce as I really do want to support Kevin Poe, then going to Page, which is adjacent to the centerline. 73, lh
On 9/13/2011 12:55 PM, erikhansen@thebluezone.net wrote:
All should note the difference between Bryce Canyon and Kannerville is all of 13 seconds more of annularity.
Hi fellow SLAS members,
Y'all might have noticed the unofficial survey posted here last week about folks' intentions regarding next year's annular eclipse. Some (though not many) responded. Thanks to all who did.
SLAS members should have received an official SLAS Blast earlier today from SLAS prez Rodger Fry asking basically the same question.
Please respond to the Blast, even if you had previously gave your opinion here.
SLAS really needs to get an idea about members' plan so Rodger can plan accordingly (specifically, if few people want to take the bus there's no sense in chartering one).
So, again, please reply to today's survey from Rodger, even if you already replied to the one posted here last week.
Clear skies,
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-- Siegfried
Just catching up .... when I first read this I just saw "just like kissing your sister. I am actually toying with the idea" -- the rest was on another line. On a different note, I've been to Bryce in April and it wasn't bad at all; every year is different though. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Larry Holmes <larry@kijoda.com> wrote:
Eric, am I right in thinking that, from Bryce, you w/not be able to see the "ring of fire"? Some posts back I believe some one said, that seeing the annular eclipse, but not the ring of fire, was like kissing your sister. I am actually toying with the idea of a couple of frigid days at Bryce as I really do want to support Kevin Poe, then going to Page, which is adjacent to the centerline. 73, lh
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