Re: [Utah-astronomy] Global Warming... Climate Change...
That manmade a CO2 accounts for 1/50th of CO2, needs a source cited. But, perhaps even a 50th is too much.
The polar ice is suspended above the ocean, we have yet to see significant sea level rise. There is some evidence that massive rises in sea level can occur very rapidly. It should be remembered that man made CO2 amounts to about 1/50 of the CO2
production of all other life forms, and that amount is much less than the CO2 from the warming and cooling of the ocean.
It also should be considered that the amount of ice contained in both polar caps would amount to an increase of 300-400 feet of the ocean. About 4 inches of rising waters does not account for much of that ice.
Spencer Ball Spencer Ball & Associates, LC 3690 E. Ft Union Blvd # 101 Salt Lake City, UT 84121 (801) 453-2000 spencer@spencerball.com
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of stormcrow60@xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:41 PM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Global Warming... Climate Change...
Robert Taylor said: "It's very simple. In some places it is melting and others it is not. For example the ice in the Himalayas is growing and inland Greenland (not the coast so much) it is thinning some what. We hear a lot about Greenland and nothing about the Himalayas, why is that?"
Robert, the ice and glaciers in the Himalayas are shrinking and melting quite rapidly. I just saw pictures from around the base of Mt. Everest taken from I believe 1929 0r 1930 and then very recently. The contrast in the receding of the glaciers is alarming. The impact to roughly 2 billion people who will not have fresh water to drink when the glaciers can no longer feed the huge Asian rivers that nourish these people will be tremendous. I do not know where you get the information stating that the ice in the Himalayas is not melting. This is a false statement. Again... in my mind set, the debate for or against global warming... climate change... whatever you want to call it, is based on a very simple axiom. The folks claiming global warming is true are American and global scientists. The folks claiming global warming is false is mainly... by and large, the fossil fuel industry. One side has nothing to gain by promoting their interpretation of their scientific data. It is their data, compiled from their instruments and testing procedures. However, the other side has hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars to lose if legislation is passed to reduce CO2 and other greenhouse gases. Why should I believe the fossil fuel industry? They do not serve my interests... or any body else's interests other than their own. Besides, there is a whole economy based on renewable energy sources and tampering the affects of global warming. This nation needs to stop hindering progress and be on the forefront of sorely needed changes in the way we ive our lives, do business locally, nationally and globally. Just my two or three cents.
Jon
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It's easy to Google if you are really interested, the 1/50th is not exactly right but is close enough. BT -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:48 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Global Warming... Climate Change...
That manmade a CO2 accounts for 1/50th of CO2, needs a source cited. But, perhaps even a 50th is too much.
The polar ice is suspended above the ocean, we have yet to see significant sea level rise. There is some evidence that massive rises in sea level can occur very rapidly. It should be remembered that man made CO2 amounts to about 1/50 of the CO2
production of all other life forms, and that amount is much less than the CO2 from the warming and cooling of the ocean.
It also should be considered that the amount of ice contained in both polar caps would amount to an increase of 300-400 feet of the ocean. About 4 inches of rising waters does not account for much of that ice.
Spencer Ball Spencer Ball & Associates, LC 3690 E. Ft Union Blvd # 101 Salt Lake City, UT 84121 (801) 453-2000 spencer@spencerball.com
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of stormcrow60@xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:41 PM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Global Warming... Climate Change...
Robert Taylor said: "It's very simple. In some places it is melting and others it is not. For example the ice in the Himalayas is growing and inland Greenland (not the coast so much) it is thinning some what. We hear a lot about Greenland and nothing about the Himalayas, why is that?"
Robert, the ice and glaciers in the Himalayas are shrinking and melting quite rapidly. I just saw pictures from around the base of Mt. Everest taken from I believe 1929 0r 1930 and then very recently. The contrast in the receding of the glaciers is alarming. The impact to roughly 2 billion people who will not have fresh water to drink when the glaciers can no longer feed the huge Asian rivers that nourish these people will be tremendous. I do not know where you get the information stating that the ice in the Himalayas is not melting. This is a false statement. Again... in my mind set, the debate for or against global warming... climate change... whatever you want to call it, is based on a very simple axiom. The folks claiming global warming is true are American and global scientists. The folks claiming global warming is false is mainly... by and large, the fossil fuel industry. One side has nothing to gain by promoting their interpretation of their scientific data. It is their data, compiled from their instruments and testing procedures. However, the other side has hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars to lose if legislation is passed to reduce CO2 and other greenhouse gases. Why should I believe the fossil fuel industry? They do not serve my interests... or any body else's interests other than their own. Besides, there is a whole economy based on renewable energy sources and tampering the affects of global warming. This nation needs to stop hindering progress and be on the forefront of sorely needed changes in the way we ive our lives, do business locally, nationally and globally. Just my two or three cents.
Jon
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Well, then I googled and found this.
Perhaps, in Utah there is a question and Utah seems to falling quickly out of the mainstream. Carbon dating a proven science? Yes or No? 380 ppm to 500 ppm seems significant. When will natures ability to handle extra CO2 stop? Human activity releases many metric tons yearly. http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/how-do-we-know-that-re... Does anyone want to accuse this author of fraud? It's easy to Google if you are really interested, the 1/50th is not
exactly right but is close enough.
BT
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:48 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Global Warming... Climate Change...
That manmade a CO2 accounts for 1/50th of CO2, needs a source cited. But, perhaps even a 50th is too much.
The polar ice is suspended above the ocean, we have yet to see significant sea level rise. There is some evidence that massive rises in sea level can occur very rapidly.
It should be remembered that man made CO2 amounts to about 1/50 of the CO2
production of all other life forms, and that amount is much less than the CO2 from the warming and cooling of the ocean.
It also should be considered that the amount of ice contained in both polar caps would amount to an increase of 300-400 feet of the ocean. About 4 inches of rising waters does not account for much of that ice.
Spencer Ball Spencer Ball & Associates, LC 3690 E. Ft Union Blvd # 101 Salt Lake City, UT 84121 (801) 453-2000 spencer@spencerball.com
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of stormcrow60@xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:41 PM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Global Warming... Climate Change...
Robert Taylor said: "It's very simple. In some places it is melting and others it is not. For example the ice in the Himalayas is growing and inland Greenland (not the coast so much) it is thinning some what. We hear a lot about Greenland and nothing about the Himalayas, why is that?"
Robert, the ice and glaciers in the Himalayas are shrinking and melting quite rapidly. I just saw pictures from around the base of Mt. Everest taken from I believe 1929 0r 1930 and then very recently. The contrast in the receding of the glaciers is alarming. The impact to roughly 2 billion people who will not have fresh water to drink when the glaciers can no longer feed the huge Asian rivers that nourish these people will be tremendous. I do not know where you get the information stating that the ice in the Himalayas is not melting. This is a false statement. Again... in my mind set, the debate for or against global warming... climate change... whatever you want to call it, is based on a very simple axiom. The folks claiming global warming is true are American and global scientists. The folks claiming global warming is false is mainly... by and large, the fossil fuel industry. One side has nothing to gain by promoting their interpretation of their scientific data. It is their data, compiled from their instruments and testing procedures. However, the other side has hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars to lose if legislation is passed to reduce CO2 and other greenhouse gases. Why should I believe the fossil fuel industry? They do not serve my interests... or any body else's interests other than their own. Besides, there is a whole economy based on renewable energy sources and tampering the affects of global warming. This nation needs to stop hindering progress and be on the forefront of sorely needed changes in the way we ive our lives, do business locally, nationally and globally. Just my two or three cents.
Jon
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Down in Southern UT for turkey day. Got this one last night :) http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2715&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 Cheers, David
WOW!!!! Love the colors in this and the 3D aspect to it. Well done as always Mr. Rankin. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM, David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com>wrote:
Down in Southern UT for turkey day. Got this one last night :)
http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2715&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
Cheers,
David
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Thanks Jay :) Jay Eads wrote:
WOW!!!! Love the colors in this and the 3D aspect to it. Well done as always Mr. Rankin.
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM, David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com>wrote:
Down in Southern UT for turkey day. Got this one last night :)
http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2715&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
Cheers,
David
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Extremely wow! What was the exposure? Thanks for posting it, Joe --- On Wed, 11/25/09, David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com> wrote: From: David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] New Image, M42 with 10" OTA To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 6:17 PM Thanks Jay :) Jay Eads wrote:
WOW!!!! Love the colors in this and the 3D aspect to it. Well done as always Mr. Rankin.
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM, David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com>wrote:
Down in Southern UT for turkey day. Got this one last night :)
http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2715&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
Cheers,
David
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Thanks Joe Images : /18 Lights @ 180sec ISO 800/ - 12 Lights @ 10sec ISO 800 (core data) 9 Darks 10 Bias Software : Subtraction in Iris, Registration stacking in Registar, Post processing in Photoshop Cheers :) Joe Bauman wrote:
Extremely wow! What was the exposure? Thanks for posting it, Joe
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From: David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] New Image, M42 with 10" OTA To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 6:17 PM
Thanks Jay :)
Jay Eads wrote:
WOW!!!! Love the colors in this and the 3D aspect to it. Well done as always Mr. Rankin.
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM, David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com>wrote:
Down in Southern UT for turkey day. Got this one last night :)
http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2715&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
Cheers,
David
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What time of night (or morning?) did you start? After the moon was down? -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David Rankin Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 6:22 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] New Image, M42 with 10" OTA Thanks Joe Images : /18 Lights @ 180sec ISO 800/ - 12 Lights @ 10sec ISO 800 (core data) 9 Darks 10 Bias Software : Subtraction in Iris, Registration stacking in Registar, Post processing in Photoshop Cheers :) Joe Bauman wrote:
Extremely wow! What was the exposure? Thanks for posting it, Joe
--- On Wed, 11/25/09, David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com> wrote:
From: David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] New Image, M42 with 10" OTA To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 6:17 PM
Thanks Jay :)
Jay Eads wrote:
WOW!!!! Love the colors in this and the 3D aspect to it. Well done as always Mr. Rankin.
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM, David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com>wrote:
Down in Southern UT for turkey day. Got this one last night :)
http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2715&g2_imageViewsInd ex=1
Cheers,
David
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Craig, Yea, we rolled in here from SLC around 9pm. I hung out for a while then setup around midnight, wrapping up around 3:30am. Cheers David Craig Smith wrote:
What time of night (or morning?) did you start? After the moon was down?
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David Rankin Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 6:22 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] New Image, M42 with 10" OTA
Thanks Joe
Images : /18 Lights @ 180sec ISO 800/ - 12 Lights @ 10sec ISO 800 (core data) 9 Darks 10 Bias Software : Subtraction in Iris, Registration stacking in Registar, Post processing in Photoshop
Cheers :)
Joe Bauman wrote:
Extremely wow! What was the exposure? Thanks for posting it, Joe
--- On Wed, 11/25/09, David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com> wrote:
From: David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] New Image, M42 with 10" OTA To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 6:17 PM
Thanks Jay :)
Jay Eads wrote:
WOW!!!! Love the colors in this and the 3D aspect to it. Well done as always Mr. Rankin.
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:59 PM, David Rankin
<David@rankinstudio.com>wrote:
Down in Southern UT for turkey day. Got this one last night :)
http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2715&g2_imageViewsInd ex=1
Cheers,
David
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Great Image David! Nice job using the shorter exposures to bring out the core area. The processing looks spot on. Tyler _____________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David Rankin Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:59 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] New Image, M42 with 10" OTA Down in Southern UT for turkey day. Got this one last night :) http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2715&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 Cheers, David _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Thank you Tyler :) Tyler Allred wrote:
Great Image David! Nice job using the shorter exposures to bring out the core area. The processing looks spot on.
Tyler _____________________________________________
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David Rankin Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:59 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] New Image, M42 with 10" OTA
Down in Southern UT for turkey day. Got this one last night :)
http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2715&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
Cheers,
David
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Gotta agree with Tyler, what a great image! nicely processed. Howard --- On Fri, 11/27/09, David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com> wrote:
From: David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] New Image, M42 with 10" OTA To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:44 AM Thank you Tyler :)
Tyler Allred wrote:
Great Image David! Nice job using the shorter exposures to bring out the core area. The processing looks spot on.
Tyler _____________________________________________
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David Rankin Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:59 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] New Image, M42 with 10" OTA
Down in Southern UT for turkey day. Got this one last night :)
http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2715&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
Cheers,
David
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Thanks Howard :) Howard Jackman wrote:
Gotta agree with Tyler, what a great image! nicely processed.
Howard
--- On Fri, 11/27/09, David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com> wrote:
From: David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] New Image, M42 with 10" OTA To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 8:44 AM Thank you Tyler :)
Tyler Allred wrote:
Great Image David! Nice job using the shorter
exposures to bring out the
core area. The processing looks spot on.
Tyler _____________________________________________
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Down in Southern UT for turkey day. Got this one last
night :)
http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2715&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
Cheers,
David
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David, I've so astonished by your astrophotos. Amazing. Do you guide them or does the mount work so well you don't need guiding? Thanks, Joe --- On Thu, 11/26/09, Tyler Allred <tylerallred@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Tyler Allred <tylerallred@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] New Image, M42 with 10" OTA To: "'Utah Astronomy'" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 11:58 PM Great Image David! Nice job using the shorter exposures to bring out the core area. The processing looks spot on. Tyler _____________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David Rankin Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:59 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] New Image, M42 with 10" OTA Down in Southern UT for turkey day. Got this one last night :) http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2715&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 Cheers, David _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Joe, I autoguide. I really have my Atlas EQ-G Maxed out with this 10" OTA. I have rebuilt the mount and replaced the worm bearings with high quality ceramic ones along with cleaning, re-greasing, and tweaking out the gear tolerances to get the mount to perform under this much weight. I use a little 60mm Meade refractor with a modified logitech quickcam pro 9000 to guide with. PHD guiding is the software I use. If you go here http://www.rankinstudio.com/astro and click on "equipment" you can see the guider mounted on the OTA with the webcam attached :) I followed the instructions by Gary Honis here to do the modification of the webcam. http://ghonis2.ho8.com/Pro9000a.html I just finished processing M51 from Wednesday night, and I also have to finish up M78, also shot Wednesday night :) Cheers, David Joe Bauman wrote:
David, I've so astonished by your astrophotos. Amazing. Do you guide them or does the mount work so well you don't need guiding? Thanks, Joe
--- On Thu, 11/26/09, Tyler Allred <tylerallred@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Tyler Allred <tylerallred@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] New Image, M42 with 10" OTA To: "'Utah Astronomy'" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 11:58 PM
Great Image David! Nice job using the shorter exposures to bring out the core area. The processing looks spot on.
Tyler _____________________________________________
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David Rankin Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:59 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] New Image, M42 with 10" OTA
Down in Southern UT for turkey day. Got this one last night :)
http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2715&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
Cheers,
David
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I was up Wednesday night late. Setup around 10:00pm, started imaging after midnight, and wrapped up around dawn. I was able to capture M51 below, and M78. Still need to stack and process M78, will post when its done :) Enjoy! http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2718&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 David
Again, David, nicely done and excellent capture of the details here. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM, David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com>wrote:
I was up Wednesday night late. Setup around 10:00pm, started imaging after midnight, and wrapped up around dawn. I was able to capture M51 below, and M78. Still need to stack and process M78, will post when its done :)
Enjoy!
http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2718&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
David
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As promised :) http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2721&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 This thing was very difficult to process. Enjoy! David Rankin
That is simply excellent, especially considering the turbulent skies this time of year. The transparancy is good but the seeing is rarely steady. Heck, even under perfect skies that's a first-class image. Well-done! On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM, David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com>wrote:
I was up Wednesday night late. Setup around 10:00pm, started imaging after midnight, and wrapped up around dawn. I was able to capture M51 below, and M78. Still need to stack and process M78, will post when its done :)
Enjoy!
http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2718&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
Thanks Chuck :) Chuck Hards wrote:
That is simply excellent, especially considering the turbulent skies this time of year. The transparancy is good but the seeing is rarely steady. Heck, even under perfect skies that's a first-class image. Well-done!
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM, David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com>wrote:
I was up Wednesday night late. Setup around 10:00pm, started imaging after midnight, and wrapped up around dawn. I was able to capture M51 below, and M78. Still need to stack and process M78, will post when its done :)
Enjoy!
http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=2718&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
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On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
380 ppm to 500 ppm seems significant. When will natures ability to handle extra CO2 stop?
Skeptics say that C02 is already absorbing "*almost all it can*" and additional increments "*won't make much difference*". Page 8 of *The Skeptics Handbook* makes this claim: http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarming/the_skeptics_handbook_2-3_mq.pdf If the skeptics are correct on this point, then it would seem that nature has a *long* way to go even if we assume no further absorption by other natural CO2 sinks. Chris
Seems the data supports that nature already has failed to prevent CO2 increases from man's activity. The data suggests CO2 levels would be much higher without these natural sinks, they must be working overtime. Isotope data clearly marks CO2 produced by humans. Temperature is hardly the only data to support this and in some ways appears to be the weakest data.
Read the article I posted. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
380 ppm to 500 ppm seems significant. When will natures ability to handle extra CO2 stop?
Skeptics say that C02 is already absorbing "*almost all it can*" and additional increments "*won't make much difference*".
Page 8 of *The Skeptics Handbook* makes this claim:
http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarming/the_skeptics_handbook_2-3_mq.pdf
If the skeptics are correct on this point, then it would seem that nature has a *long* way to go even if we assume no further absorption by other natural CO2 sinks.
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Perhaps you should read this. http://www.desmogblog.com/skeptics-handbook-carbon-dioxide-climate-change On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:51 PM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
380 ppm to 500 ppm seems significant. When will natures ability to handle extra CO2 stop?
Skeptics say that C02 is already absorbing "*almost all it can*" and additional increments "*won't make much difference*".
Page 8 of *The Skeptics Handbook* makes this claim:
http://joannenova.com.au/globalwarming/the_skeptics_handbook_2-3_mq.pdf
If the skeptics are correct on this point, then it would seem that nature has a *long* way to go even if we assume no further absorption by other natural CO2 sinks.
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