Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science Article in the Chronicle
For decades I covered science in the LDS Church-owned Dessert News, writing about ancient homonids, geological history, evolution, dinosaurs, the Cambrian era, galaxies whose light has been traveling many millions of years, etc. Never once was I told to change any of these stories or even questioned about them. I don't think the LDS Church teaches that the world is only a few thousand years old. Thanks, Joe, who just wants to set the record straight. ------------------------------ On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:28 PM MDT Mark Shelton wrote:
This has been a question I have asked myself many times as a Mormon.(Dinosaurs, Craters etc.) I did some research into it and the teachings of the LDS church. I have come to an understanding for myself that The earth is very OLD and did not come into existence 6,000.00 years ago. Sometime if you see me out and about and would like to talk to me about it let me know. I do not think this is the proper place to bring up religion of any denomination. I am a very firm believer of having tolerance and understanding of others that are not of the same religious or moral persuasion as myself.
I even Like Larry Holmes even though he is a UTAH SUPPORTER. LOL
Mark
________________________________ From: "jcarman6@q.com" <jcarman6@q.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Science Article in the Chronicle
I'm not disagreeing with recent posts. Sure the term is wrong, but something to do with "publish or die." Or the "need" to be the first to announce the discovery. Often scientific findings are rushed to publish and then prove erroneous. Cold fusion and particles traveling faster than speed of light come to mind. The argument that scientists need to do it better is valid, but the article wasn't addressing all the many nuances of the science and society chasm.
Rushing to publish pales in comparison to the lack of general science knowledge of the general public. The one thing the article didn't touch on (and heaven knows why - pun intended) is science versus religion. Its hard to explain dinosaurs, even with the bones in hand, when a vast group of the public believes the earth is only 6,000 years old, T hat isn't just a Mormon thing is a Christianity in general thing . I post ed my pictures of the Barringer Meteor Crater on Facebook, which goes to a number of deeply religious friends and family. Only one, deeply religious person (not on the page, but it person) commented that it happened 50,000 years ago. Either the rest didn't believe it or dismissed it out of hand as an "inconvenient truth."
For as long as there have been public star parties and science education in schools, how many of the general public still believe the seasons are caused by the distance of the earth to the sun, or simply don't know. It's this whole sale rejection of science which is the problem. You have creationism versus evolution. You must accept one or the other, either you believe in God or you don't, it's black or white, yes or no, your side or my side which is the problem.
And this is all very incongruous when one realizes America, in particular, and the world in general have based their futures on science and technology (electricity, communications, computers, cars, the list is endless). Society is shooting itself in the foot.
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I could not have said it better myself. Thanks Joe Mark ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science Article in the Chronicle For decades I covered science in the LDS Church-owned Dessert News, writing about ancient homonids, geological history, evolution, dinosaurs, the Cambrian era, galaxies whose light has been traveling many millions of years, etc. Never once was I told to change any of these stories or even questioned about them. I don't think the LDS Church teaches that the world is only a few thousand years old. Thanks, Joe, who just wants to set the record straight. ------------------------------ On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:28 PM MDT Mark Shelton wrote:
This has been a question I have asked myself many times as a Mormon.(Dinosaurs, Craters etc.) I did some research into it and the teachings of the LDS church. I have come to an understanding for myself that The earth is very OLD and did not come into existence 6,000.00 years ago. Sometime if you see me out and about and would like to talk to me about it let me know. I do not think this is the proper place to bring up religion of any denomination. I am a very firm believer of having tolerance and understanding of others that are not of the same religious or moral persuasion as myself.
I even Like Larry Holmes even though he is a UTAH SUPPORTER. LOL
Mark
________________________________ From: "jcarman6@q.com" <jcarman6@q.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Science Article in the Chronicle
I'm not disagreeing with recent posts. Sure the term is wrong, but something to do with "publish or die." Or the "need" to be the first to announce the discovery. Often scientific findings are rushed to publish and then prove erroneous. Cold fusion and particles traveling faster than speed of light come to mind. The argument that scientists need to do it better is valid, but the article wasn't addressing all the many nuances of the science and society chasm.
Rushing to publish pales in comparison to the lack of general science knowledge of the general public. The one thing the article didn't touch on (and heaven knows why - pun intended) is science versus religion. Its hard to explain dinosaurs, even with the bones in hand, when a vast group of the public believes the earth is only 6,000 years old, T hat isn't just a Mormon thing is a Christianity in general thing . I post ed my pictures of the Barringer Meteor Crater on Facebook, which goes to a number of deeply religious friends and family. Only one, deeply religious person (not on the page, but it person) commented that it happened 50,000 years ago. Either the rest didn't believe it or dismissed it out of hand as an "inconvenient truth."
For as long as there have been public star parties and science education in schools, how many of the general public still believe the seasons are caused by the distance of the earth to the sun, or simply don't know. It's this whole sale rejection of science which is the problem. You have creationism versus evolution. You must accept one or the other, either you believe in God or you don't, it's black or white, yes or no, your side or my side which is the problem.
And this is all very incongruous when one realizes America, in particular, and the world in general have based their futures on science and technology (electricity, communications, computers, cars, the list is endless). Society is shooting itself in the foot.
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I have used great restraint from chiming in on this thread, and that restraint was busted by Larry's comments below. LOL. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of larry holmes Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 5:30 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Fw: Science Article in the Chronicle ------------------------------ On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:28 PM MDT Mark Shelton wrote:
I even Like Larry Holmes even though he is a UTAH SUPPORTER. LOL
Mark
Mark, you ought to see my new athletic supporter! 73
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Anyone have a melon baller? I need to scoop out the section of my brain that contains that image. Dan -- Sent from my iPhone. Please pardon any mispelings or errors. On Apr 11, 2013, at 3:29 PM, larry holmes <larry@kijoda.com> wrote:
------------------------------ On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:28 PM MDT Mark Shelton wrote:
I even Like Larry Holmes even though he is a UTAH SUPPORTER. LOL
Mark Mark, you ought to see my new athletic supporter! 73
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You guys are to funny Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> wrote:
Anyone have a melon baller? I need to scoop out the section of my brain that contains that image.
Dan
-- Sent from my iPhone. Please pardon any mispelings or errors.
On Apr 11, 2013, at 3:29 PM, larry holmes <larry@kijoda.com> wrote:
------------------------------ On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:28 PM MDT Mark Shelton wrote:
I even Like Larry Holmes even though he is a UTAH SUPPORTER. LOL
Mark Mark, you ought to see my new athletic supporter! 73
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Only if it is big blue and a Y Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2013, at 3:29 PM, larry holmes <larry@kijoda.com> wrote:
------------------------------ On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:28 PM MDT Mark Shelton wrote:
I even Like Larry Holmes even though he is a UTAH SUPPORTER. LOL
Mark Mark, you ought to see my new athletic supporter! 73
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Dangit! If that's not true, then we really can't clone a dinosaur. I'm totally disillusioned and not going to church anymore. Wait a minute, I quit going to church in 1972. "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana." --Groucho Marx On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
I don't think the LDS Church teaches that the world is only a few thousand years old.
Yet, the objections to of teaching Evolution come primarily from religious groups, I do recall an editorial written by a Biology Professor from BYU that thought it was needed to defend Evolution to members of the LDS Church.
For decades I covered science in the LDS Church-owned Dessert News, writing about ancient homonids, geological history, evolution, dinosaurs, the Cambrian era, galaxies whose light has been traveling many millions of years, etc. Never once was I told to change any of these stories or even questioned about them. I don't think the LDS Church teaches that the world is only a few thousand years old. Thanks, Joe, who just wants to set the record straight.
------------------------------ On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:28 PM MDT Mark Shelton wrote:
This has been a question I have asked myself many times as a Mormon.(Dinosaurs, Craters etc.) I did some research into it and the teachings of the LDS church. I have come to an understanding for myself that The earth is very OLD and did not come into existence 6,000.00 years ago. Sometime if you see me out and about and would like to talk to me about it let me know. I do not think this is the proper place to bring up religion of any denomination. I am a very firm believer of having tolerance and understanding of others that are not of the same religious or moral persuasion as myself.
I even Like Larry Holmes even though he is a UTAH SUPPORTER. LOL
Mark
________________________________ From: "jcarman6@q.com" <jcarman6@q.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Science Article in the Chronicle
I'm not disagreeing with recent posts. Sure the term is wrong, but something to do with "publish or die." Or the "need" to be the first to announce the discovery. Often scientific findings are rushed to publish and then prove erroneous. Cold fusion and particles traveling faster than speed of light come to mind. The argument that scientists need to do it better is valid, but the article wasn't addressing all the many nuances of the science and society chasm.
Rushing to publish pales in comparison to the lack of general science knowledge of the general public. The one thing the article didn't touch on (and heaven knows why - pun intended) is science versus religion. Its hard to explain dinosaurs, even with the bones in hand, when a vast group of the public believes the earth is only 6,000 years old, T hat isn't just a Mormon thing is a Christianity in general thing . I post ed my pictures of the Barringer Meteor Crater on Facebook, which goes to a number of deeply religious friends and family. Only one, deeply religious person (not on the page, but it person) commented that it happened 50,000 years ago. Either the rest didn't believe it or dismissed it out of hand as an "inconvenient truth."
For as long as there have been public star parties and science education in schools, how many of the general public still believe the seasons are caused by the distance of the earth to the sun, or simply don't know. It's this whole sale rejection of science which is the problem. You have creationism versus evolution. You must accept one or the other, either you believe in God or you don't, it's black or white, yes or no, your side or my side which is the problem.
And this is all very incongruous when one realizes America, in particular, and the world in general have based their futures on science and technology (electricity, communications, computers, cars, the list is endless). Society is shooting itself in the foot.
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