OK all you smart people, what did I see? This evening (12-7-05) at approximately 5:15pm, I was looking at the moon and saw what appeared to be a star directly east of the moon. I could see Venus to the west and Mars was not yet visible. I watched the "star" for about three minutes trying to figure out what star would be brighter than Mars (although nowhere near as bright as Venus). It was still too early to see Deneb or Capella and that is why I was paying so much attention to the "star" because I couldn't figure out what star could be seen so early. (Although it had set in the valley, the sun was still shinning on the mountain tops) After three or so minutes the "star" had disappeared so it clearly was not a star. My conclusion was that I was seeing the reflection of the Sun off of some object, but clearly it was not a plane, as it did not change position relative to the Moon for at least three minutes. So what was it? My uneducated "guess" is that it was a satellite but I didn't know if a satellite could give off enough of a reflection to look like a star so I am asking those of you who know a whole lot more than I do about such things; what was it? Ed L __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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My conclusion was that I was seeing the reflection of the Sun off of some object, but clearly it was not a plane, as it did not change position relative to the Moon for at least three minutes. So what was it? My uneducated "guess" is that it was a satellite but I didn't know if a satellite could give off enough of a reflection to look like a star so I am asking those of you who know a whole lot more than I do about such things; what was it? Ed L
I don't think it could be a satellite as the only satellites that bright tend to remain that bright for a couple of seconds, not three minutes. You said the Sun was still shining on the tops of the mountains so that would rule out a high altitude balloon passing into the shadow of the Earth. I suppose (but this is a stretch) it could have been something floating at an elevation less than the tops of the mountain that would have seen sunset (and hence faded out) after you did but before the mountains did. I just called Flight Service and they tell me the winds down low are out of the south at about 6 and about mountain top height about 11. Given winds that light I don't know that you would have seen much movement of a free floating object in 3 minutes. As for what any such free floating object would be, there's always the possibility of a mylar balloon. Then again, it could have been a Ford Anglia headed for Hogwarts... Patrick
I've seen these things too. The first time I saw one, it was dusk and I was putting my airplane away at Greenlee County airport. I was without binoculars or telescope. This one was a Venus bright object in the northern sky. I knew it couldn't be any star or planet because of its position. I moved so the object appeared straight above a telephone pole and watched for about 3 to 5 minutes. I observed no noticeable motion. I suspected it was a large helium balloon. This suspicion became stronger when, as the darkness deepened, the object faded until finally it couldn't be seen. The next time I saw one I was home. I grabbed some binoculars, and sure enough it was a large mylar balloon. At least I think it was large. I could see a gondola suspended underneath, but without reference points it was hard to tell its size for sure. I even grabbed the camcorder and taped it. Unfortunately at the magnification necessary to see the actual shape of the balloon, it was too pixelated to really be able to identify it on tape. I feel sort of like a pinhead because all I really had to do was grab my astronomical telescope and film through the eyepiece, but I didn't. I was afraid that by the time I got it set up, the object would have faded to invisibility. Bill Lockman Edward Lunt wrote:
OK all you smart people, what did I see? This evening (12-7-05) at approximately 5:15pm, I was looking at the moon and saw what appeared to be a star directly east of the moon. I could see Venus to the west and Mars was not yet visible. I watched the "star" for about three minutes trying to figure out what star would be brighter than Mars (although nowhere near as bright as Venus). It was still too early to see Deneb or Capella and that is why I was paying so much attention to the "star" because I couldn't figure out what star could be seen so early. (Although it had set in the valley, the sun was still shinning on the mountain tops) After three or so minutes the "star" had disappeared so it clearly was not a star. My conclusion was that I was seeing the reflection of the Sun off of some object, but clearly it was not a plane, as it did not change position relative to the Moon for at least three minutes. So what was it? My uneducated "guess" is that it was a satellite but I didn't know if a satellite could give off enough of a reflection to look like a star so I am asking those of you who know a whole lot more than I do about such things; what was it? Ed L
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Quoting Lockman <lockman@aznex.net>:
I even grabbed the camcorder and taped it. Unfortunately at the magnification necessary to see the actual shape of the balloon, it was too pixelated to really be able to identify it on tape.
They show similar footage almost every night on the news. Though the footage usually accompanies a story asking people to identify the blurred image approaching a bank teller... ;)
Ed, I am certain a satellite would not stay in the same position for any length of time. It would not be near the moon for even 15 seconds. So my guess is it's a -- no, I won't say it. It was a flying object that we can't identify, let it go at that. Thanks, Joe
Hi Joe, I didn't know if there were satellites that were "parked" as it were over a specific spot, moving at the same rate as the earth's rotation. Anyway, I like your conclusion so I'll leave it at that. Thanks, Ed L --- Joe Bauman <bau@desnews.com> wrote:
Ed, I am certain a satellite would not stay in the same position for any length of time. It would not be near the moon for even 15 seconds. So my guess is it's a -- no, I won't say it. It was a flying object that we can't identify, let it go at that. Thanks, Joe
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I've seen such a phenomonen as I was driving eastward in the mornings many times. It appreares to be a bright. stationary object. It always, eventually turned out to be a passenger jet flying at just the right angle and speed to appear sstaionary while getting lit up from below by the sunrise not yet visible to me.
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The link did not work. But I did find my way in by going to http://www.utahastronomy.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=diveboss . Really liked the pigeons... Patrick
Thanks for the corrected link Patrick. I wonder if that's how you get bird flu? ;) Quoting Patrick Wiggins <paw@trilobyte.net>:
diveboss@xmission.com wrote:
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The link did not work. But I did find my way in by going to http://www.utahastronomy.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=diveboss .
Really liked the pigeons...
Patrick
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Thanks Darin; --- Darin Christensen <darinc@comcast.net> wrote:
I've seen such a phenomonen as I was driving eastward in the mornings many times. It appreares to be a bright. stationary object. It always, eventually turned out to be a passenger jet flying at just the right angle and speed to appear sstaionary while getting lit up from below by the sunrise not yet visible to me.
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