Not to sound like a commercial for Orion but I got tired of lugging my C-8 to star parties so I gave it to SLAS and started looking for a small, light weight, portable Dob. Found one at Orion and placed the order Tuesday night. It arrived yesterday (Thursday). Well done Orion! I think the only way they could have delivered it faster would have been via drone. :) patrick
Welcome to the wonderful world of Dob users, Patrick. I knew you would succumb to the dark side eventually. Bill On Friday, June 26, 2015 3:13 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> wrote: Not to sound like a commercial for Orion but I got tired of lugging my C-8 to star parties so I gave it to SLAS and started looking for a small, light weight, portable Dob. Found one at Orion and placed the order Tuesday night. It arrived yesterday (Thursday). Well done Orion! I think the only way they could have delivered it faster would have been via drone. :) patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Thanks Bill, Assembling it was more of a chore than I had anticipated. I actually had to read the instructions (as a Apple Fan Boy having to "read the manual" is an alien concept to me <g> ). 'Course now that I've done it once I could probably assemble another one in a few minutes. But once assembled it was a real hit with the kids and provided really nice images of the Moon. And extra nice that it fits nicely into my car's front truck (aka frunk) leaving lots of room in the much larger rear truck for other stuff. patrick On 26 Jun 2015, at 18:42, william baker via Utah-Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Welcome to the wonderful world of Dob users, Patrick. I knew you would succumb to the dark side eventually.
Bill
Ok I am going to display my ignorance. I thought a C-8 was more compact than a similar aperture Dob. What I was reading was that they had superior resolution and a smaller optical tube thus the higher price tag. Is it the tripod that is a pain or do I just have it all wrong? I am very interested as I am trying to decide if I want to invest in a more serious scope (currently using a 5" reflector on EQ mount Orion SpaceProbe 130 ST). Also yes Orion seems to be an awesome company for service and quality. On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> wrote:
Not to sound like a commercial for Orion but I got tired of lugging my C-8 to star parties so I gave it to SLAS and started looking for a small, light weight, portable Dob. Found one at Orion and placed the order Tuesday night. It arrived yesterday (Thursday). Well done Orion! I think the only way they could have delivered it faster would have been via drone. :) patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Allow me to be the first to inform all the board readers. Indeed Patrick did get a tiny little dob from Orion and it came as promised. He showed up at the Harmon's star party with it - in the original packing cases, unopened. Apparently, he figured with his long years of expertise, he could just slam it all together in a blink of an eye. He opened the two boxes and spent the next 30 minutes reading the instructions and slowly assembling the scope. He could have put 10 C-8s together in that amount of time. But there is a reason for his madness. It looks likes his Tesla does not have a large trunk and a C-8 is too big. But, what is it Patrick? A 4" f8 dob will fit, barely <BIG GRINS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Stucki" <joel.stucki@gmail.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: "Astronomy Utah" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 7:15:36 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Orion scores again Ok I am going to display my ignorance. I thought a C-8 was more compact than a similar aperture Dob. What I was reading was that they had superior resolution and a smaller optical tube thus the higher price tag. Is it the tripod that is a pain or do I just have it all wrong? I am very interested as I am trying to decide if I want to invest in a more serious scope (currently using a 5" reflector on EQ mount Orion SpaceProbe 130 ST). Also yes Orion seems to be an awesome company for service and quality. On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> wrote:
Not to sound like a commercial for Orion but I got tired of lugging my C-8 to star parties so I gave it to SLAS and started looking for a small, light weight, portable Dob. Found one at Orion and placed the order Tuesday night. It arrived yesterday (Thursday). Well done Orion! I think the only way they could have delivered it faster would have been via drone. :) patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
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I'm not surprised about his slowly assembling the scope. Patrick is the most methodical person I've ever known. From: Joan Carman <jcarman6@q.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Orion scores again Allow me to be the first to inform all the board readers. Indeed Patrick did get a tiny little dob from Orion and it came as promised. He showed up at the Harmon's star party with it - in the original packing cases, unopened. Apparently, he figured with his long years of expertise, he could just slam it all together in a blink of an eye. He opened the two boxes and spent the next 30 minutes reading the instructions and slowly assembling the scope. He could have put 10 C-8s together in that amount of time. But there is a reason for his madness. It looks likes his Tesla does not have a large trunk and a C-8 is too big. But, what is it Patrick? A 4" f8 dob will fit, barely <BIG GRINS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Stucki" <joel.stucki@gmail.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: "Astronomy Utah" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 7:15:36 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Orion scores again Ok I am going to display my ignorance. I thought a C-8 was more compact than a similar aperture Dob. What I was reading was that they had superior resolution and a smaller optical tube thus the higher price tag. Is it the tripod that is a pain or do I just have it all wrong? I am very interested as I am trying to decide if I want to invest in a more serious scope (currently using a 5" reflector on EQ mount Orion SpaceProbe 130 ST). Also yes Orion seems to be an awesome company for service and quality. On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> wrote:
Not to sound like a commercial for Orion but I got tired of lugging my C-8 to star parties so I gave it to SLAS and started looking for a small, light weight, portable Dob. Found one at Orion and placed the order Tuesday night. It arrived yesterday (Thursday). Well done Orion! I think the only way they could have delivered it faster would have been via drone. :) patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
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On 27 Jun 2015, at 00:44, Joan Carman <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
It looks likes his Tesla does not have a large trunk and a C-8 is too big. But, what is it Patrick? A 4" f8 dob will fit, barely <BIG GRINS>
Actually the C-8 fits in the rear truck (the rear truck is much bigger than the frunk). But with the little Dob fitting so nicely in the frunk I can just pull into a parking spot, pop the frunk and pull out the Dob. patrick
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On Jun 27, 2015, at 12:44 AM, Joan Carman <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
Allow me to be the first to inform all the board readers. Indeed Patrick did get a tiny little dob from Orion and it came as promised. He showed up at the Harmon's star party with it - in the original packing cases, unopened. Apparently, he figured with his long years of expertise, he could just slam it all together in a blink of an eye. He opened the two boxes and spent the next 30 minutes reading the instructions and slowly assembling the scope. He could have put 10 C-8s together in that amount of time. But there is a reason for his madness. It looks likes his Tesla does not have a large trunk and a C-8 is too big. But, what is it Patrick? A 4" f8 dob will fit, barely <BIG GRINS>
Sounds a little harsh to me, Joan. I think Patrick got exactly what he wanted, both with smallish dob and the Tesla. Perhaps a touch of the green eyed cat? 73
No Larry, on both counts. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Holmes" <larry@kijoda.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 2:56:48 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Orion scores again Sent from my iPad
On Jun 27, 2015, at 12:44 AM, Joan Carman <jcarman6@q.com> wrote:
Allow me to be the first to inform all the board readers. Indeed Patrick did get a tiny little dob from Orion and it came as promised. He showed up at the Harmon's star party with it - in the original packing cases, unopened. Apparently, he figured with his long years of expertise, he could just slam it all together in a blink of an eye. He opened the two boxes and spent the next 30 minutes reading the instructions and slowly assembling the scope. He could have put 10 C-8s together in that amount of time. But there is a reason for his madness. It looks likes his Tesla does not have a large trunk and a C-8 is too big. But, what is it Patrick? A 4" f8 dob will fit, barely <BIG GRINS>
Sounds a little harsh to me, Joan. I think Patrick got exactly what he wanted, both with smallish dob and the Tesla. Perhaps a touch of the green eyed cat? 73 _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Hi Joel, On 26 Jun 2015, at 19:15, Joel Stucki <joel.stucki@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok I am going to display my ignorance. I thought a C-8 was more compact than a similar aperture Dob. What I was reading was that they had superior resolution and a smaller optical tube thus the higher price tag. Is it the tripod that is a pain or do I just have it all wrong? I am very interested as I am trying to decide if I want to invest in a more serious scope (currently using a 5" reflector on EQ mount Orion SpaceProbe 130 ST). Also yes Orion seems to be an awesome company for service and quality.
When it come to light gathering power, resolution and quality the C-8 is always better than my new little Dob. But the C-8 does take up more room and is much heavier. What I was looking for was a small, lightweight scope that provided acceptable views of things like the Moon and planets and that could be used by kids without their having to use a step ladder. So for more serious viewing the C-8 rules. But for in-city star parties with lots of kids the little Dob works well. patrick
Good work, Patrick. I don't want to start an argument here, but a good newtonian on any mount inch for inch will provide higher resolution than a catadioptric telescope. Light gathering also goes to the newtonian because of the smaller diagonal. Portability is in the eye of the beholder with a weight advantage for the newt, but size is the strong point of the cat. My experience has been that a good six inch newt will provide about the same view as an eight inch cat, although the cat would be a bit brighter in this instance. The reason for the better resolution is the simpler optical system, ease of manufacture and smaller diagonal size. Resolution can be very well approximated by using the equation for Dawe's limit, and using the equivalent aperture of the telescope. The equivalent aperture is equal to the real aperture minus the minor axis of the diagonal. On Saturday, June 27, 2015 5:55 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> wrote: Hi Joel, On 26 Jun 2015, at 19:15, Joel Stucki <joel.stucki@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok I am going to display my ignorance. I thought a C-8 was more compact than a similar aperture Dob. What I was reading was that they had superior resolution and a smaller optical tube thus the higher price tag. Is it the tripod that is a pain or do I just have it all wrong? I am very interested as I am trying to decide if I want to invest in a more serious scope (currently using a 5" reflector on EQ mount Orion SpaceProbe 130 ST). Also yes Orion seems to be an awesome company for service and quality.
When it come to light gathering power, resolution and quality the C-8 is always better than my new little Dob. But the C-8 does take up more room and is much heavier. What I was looking for was a small, lightweight scope that provided acceptable views of things like the Moon and planets and that could be used by kids without their having to use a step ladder. So for more serious viewing the C-8 rules. But for in-city star parties with lots of kids the little Dob works well. patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
This was not an inch for inch replacement. Patrick came with 4.5" reflector. The 4.5" dob from Orion. He has regressed. On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Brent Watson via Utah-Astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Good work, Patrick. I don't want to start an argument here, but a good newtonian on any mount inch for inch will provide higher resolution than a catadioptric telescope. Light gathering also goes to the newtonian because of the smaller diagonal. Portability is in the eye of the beholder with a weight advantage for the newt, but size is the strong point of the cat. My experience has been that a good six inch newt will provide about the same view as an eight inch cat, although the cat would be a bit brighter in this instance. The reason for the better resolution is the simpler optical system, ease of manufacture and smaller diagonal size. Resolution can be very well approximated by using the equation for Dawe's limit, and using the equivalent aperture of the telescope. The equivalent aperture is equal to the real aperture minus the minor axis of the diagonal.
On Saturday, June 27, 2015 5:55 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> wrote:
Hi Joel,
On 26 Jun 2015, at 19:15, Joel Stucki <joel.stucki@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok I am going to display my ignorance. I thought a C-8 was more compact than a similar aperture Dob. What I was reading was that they had superior resolution and a smaller optical tube thus the higher price tag. Is it the tripod that is a pain or do I just have it all wrong? I am very interested as I am trying to decide if I want to invest in a more serious scope (currently using a 5" reflector on EQ mount Orion SpaceProbe 130 ST). Also yes Orion seems to be an awesome company for service and quality.
When it come to light gathering power, resolution and quality the C-8 is always better than my new little Dob.
But the C-8 does take up more room and is much heavier.
What I was looking for was a small, lightweight scope that provided acceptable views of things like the Moon and planets and that could be used by kids without their having to use a step ladder.
So for more serious viewing the C-8 rules. But for in-city star parties with lots of kids the little Dob works well.
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On Jun 27, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> wrote:
This was not an inch for inch replacement. Patrick came with 4.5" reflector. The 4.5" dob from Orion. He has regressed.
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Brent Watson via Utah-Astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Good work, Patrick. I don't want to start an argument here, but a good newtonian on any mount inch for inch will provide higher resolution than a catadioptric telescope. Light gathering also goes to the newtonian because of the smaller diagonal. Portability is in the eye of the beholder with a weight advantage for the newt, but size is the strong point of the cat. My experience has been that a good six inch newt will provide about the same view as an eight inch cat, although the cat would be a bit brighter in this instance. The reason for the better resolution is the simpler optical system, ease of manufacture and smaller diagonal size. Resolution can be very well approximated by using the equation for Dawe's limit, and using the equivalent aperture of the telescope. The equivalent aperture is equal to the real aperture minus the minor axis of the diagonal.
On Saturday, June 27, 2015 5:55 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw@digis.net> wrote:
Hi Joel,
On 26 Jun 2015, at 19:15, Joel Stucki <joel.stucki@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok I am going to display my ignorance. I thought a C-8 was more compact than a similar aperture Dob. What I was reading was that they had superior resolution and a smaller optical tube thus the higher price tag. Is it the tripod that is a pain or do I just have it all wrong? I am very interested as I am trying to decide if I want to invest in a more serious scope (currently using a 5" reflector on EQ mount Orion SpaceProbe 130 ST). Also yes Orion seems to be an awesome company for service and quality.
When it come to light gathering power, resolution and quality the C-8 is always better than my new little Dob.
But the C-8 does take up more room and is much heavier.
What I was looking for was a small, lightweight scope that provided acceptable views of things like the Moon and planets and that could be used by kids without their having to use a step ladder.
So for more serious viewing the C-8 rules. But for in-city star parties with lots of kids the little Dob works well.
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