Thanks Bill, Joe, Patrick, Steve, the rest of you, but today I was totally wrong and Kurt and Rich were correct. Most of you are attracted to the hobby for it's techie aspects and it's not my place to judge that motivation. In the last 37 years the hobby has changed, I've changed. I don't get out of it what I used to these days; when telescope time rolls around I'm usually completely beat, but others still have that look in their eyes-and that's great. I'm not going away this time, just keeping quiet more often. When I do post, I'll try and be relevant and informative rather than cantankerous, irrascible, and condescending. Thanks for enduring my rants so far. Now my bed is calling, 4:30 comes mightly quickly. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs