I won't disagree. One of the first things that came to my mind regarding that UFO over SLC a few years back was a surveillance device of some type. It was as if some one wanted to listen in for a little while. There are two types of com on UFO sightings that meet your description, one is the famous "Cigar Shape" which a lot of people have claimed to see. This is the type that Jimmy Carter said he saw. The other is long slender "Rod" shaped object that is often not seen but captured on video. When the video is slowed down these will sometimes appear in a few frames, zipping through the video. These are long and thin and move at very high speed and show-up only in videos for just a few frames. I'm not aware that anyone has seen one visually. They literally zip through the image. In UFO folk-lore they are know simply as Rods. Whatever they are, they are real and have been captured many times in video. I'm afraid you're right about no going back. Big brother is getting a lot bigger. Bob -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+robtaylor3661=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+robtaylor3661=comcast.net@mailman.xmission.co m] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:21 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] UFO alert! It's more than a possibility. A few years ago, KSL TV ran a news story about these things, several spottings having been made over the Salt Lake valley. The ones in the news story were very dark, to reflect very little light, and very long. More like a cigar shape than a traditional blimp, supposedly for speed. And the demo tape I saw bore that out. It was very zippy, and flew at tree-top level almost silently. It's a Brave New World, and for better or worse, there's no going back. Whether private industry, the local constabulatory, or the federal government, Big Brother is here to stay.