Seth, I'll echo the "try before you buy" mantra here too. Especially since one person's opinion may not match your own experience. For example, I once did a side-by-side comparison of a 22mm Panoptic and a 21mm Pentax (IIRC), and much preferred the view through the Panoptic. Lowell years later told me had just the opposite experience with his scope, and traded away all his TeleVue eyepieces for Pentax. In my 16-inch f/6.25 dob, my very favorite is the 22mm Nagler; it pretty much lives in the focuser. In my 6-inch f/8 newt, an inexpensive 20mm Erfle is my favorite, but it doesn't work so well in the 16. I also love the 16mm Nagler in the 16inch, and it also works very well in the 6. For planetary work, ploessls and orthos can't be beat (less glass is indeed better). One very memorable Halloween some years ago, when seeing was excellent, Debbie Whitaker and I were cranking up the magnification of Jupiter with her 15-inch Obsession, and we both found that her TV ploessls gave cleaner images than her Radians, and her old ortho a slightly cleaner image even than the ploessls. The tradeoff there of course is narrower field of view and far less eye relief. While I love my 35mm Panoptic for wide-angle views, I took a look at a far cheaper, comparable 2-inch design a couple of years ago (don't remember the brand) that Lou Griffith (lives in Ogden) owns. I remember thinking it performed nearly the same, for about 1/3 the price. I'll email him and find out the brand if you're interested. I know Chuck Hards likes his UO Koenigs as well, and they're relatively inexpensive. My $.02 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com