Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astronaut talk

28 Mar 2011


      Sounds great to me, Mr. Bradbury!

--- On Mon, 3/28/11, Kim Hyatt <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:

> From: Kim Hyatt <kimharch@cut.net>
> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astronaut talk
> To: "'Utah Astronomy'" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com>
> Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 11:19 PM
> Yes! Let's go enslave the Martians.
> After they've died off form diseases we
> introduce into their world we can take it all.
> 
> (Kidding, Joe.)
> 
> Kim 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com
> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com]
> On Behalf Of Joe Bauman
> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:16 PM
> To: Utah Astronomy
> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astronaut talk
> 
> Thanks all! My feeling is that we need to maintain a human
> presence in
> space. Besides the advances that come with rising to a
> great challenge, it
> sets a threshold of adventure and science, and therefore
> stimulates
> education in many important fields. I'm not wed to the ISS
> but I think a
> moon base would be well worth our while, with amazing
> conditions for radio
> telescopes on the far side (blocked from Earth's radio
> noise) and visual
> telescopes just about anywhere on the moon. Humanity should
> have at least a
> second home -- Mars to begin with -- as a backup in case
> our wonderful
> planet becomes uninhabitable. What other good could come
> from exploring
> space and landing on asteroids? Who knows? How could
> Columbus have known
> what his efforts would bring? -- Joe
> 
> --- On Mon, 3/28/11, Jay Eads <jayleads@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Jay Eads <jayleads@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astronaut talk
> > To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com>
> > Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 9:56 PM
> > I hope some can correct me here, but
> > it is my understanding that the James
> > Webb Telescope is currently eating up a ton of NASA's
> > funding and will
> > continue to do until it is launched in 2015 or
> 2016. 
> > See
> >
> http://www.space.com/9510-nasa-webb-space-telescope-mired-budget-woes-start.
> htmland
> > http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101027/full/4671028a.html
> > 
> > Though well worth the cost, and baring a major
> failure
> > during launch and
> > deployment, the scientific gains will be huge from
> the
> > Webb. Yet Webb
> > suffers from a lack of proper accounting and
> realistic
> > costs and I think
> > that hurts NASA and it will hurt the manned flight
> > program.  Currently
> > Webb's cost is causing other telescopes and projects
> to be
> > put behind. I do
> > think one of the things NASA faces is a public that
> is
> > demanding more
> > control of government spending. I don't think that
> Webb's
> > improper estimates
> > and rising costs help the public to see a need to
> invest
> > more into man
> > flight at this time. I'm probably wrong, but the image
> has
> > to be
> > counter-productive and I don't think that the public
> truly
> > sees a need for
> > expensive missions to put man back into space right
> now. I
> > think the public
> > is content with the output by current telescopes and
> probes
> > and they are
> > delivering lots of gain for their dollars. NASA is
> seen as
> > a luxury, not a
> > necessity in today's world in my opinion. Thus why
> pursue
> > man flight? I
> > think that is something that NASA and the companies
> that
> > stand to benefit
> > financially from man flight have to make and sell to
> the
> > American Public.
> > Unfortunately many in the industry are great
> engineers, but
> > not so great at
> > selling. I'm  not sure what is going to change the
> > perception of the
> > American public or when that will happen and I firmly
> > believe and hope that
> > we as a country return to exploring space with man
> flight.
> > The next ten
> > years will be very interesting to see the direction(s)
> that
> > NASA takes.
> > 
> > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Dave Gary <davegary@me.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Good riddance. The ISS has been of little or no
> > scientific benefit. What
> > > have we learned? Mold grows in man-made “sort
> of”
> > space environments and ISS
> > > crew members suffer bone loss on extended free
> falls.
> > For the time being,
> > > manned missions are a waste of valuable
> resources. One
> > Voyager flyby (pick a
> > > flyby) has given us immensely more scientific
> data
> > than all the ISS free
> > > falls put together. And that’s just one
> Voyager.
> > Going to Mars with the
> > > propulsion systems we have, currently, is a pipe
> > dream. Anywhere further
> > > (just within this solar system) is pure delusion.
> Hey,
> > I’m all for
> > > exploration if sound judgement is involved. ISS
> was an
> > experiment in how not
> > > to allocate resources. We should learn from our
> > mistakes and go on. As my
> > > Grandfather always told me. ‘You don’t learn
> > anything the second time you’re
> > > kicked by a mule.’
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > On [Mar 28], at [Mar 28]  7:45 PM, Steve Fisher
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> I don't know about "vilified" you are
> entitled to
> > your opinion. You are
> > >> wrong but you are entitled to that opinion.
> ;)
> > >> God forgive me for even thinking this but if
> a
> > Soyuz fails to make it to
> > >> orbit or to return our astronauts to earth
> what do
> > you think will happen
> > >> then? We can just sign over the title to the
> ISS
> > because we won't be going
> > >> back.
> > >> Steve
> > >>
> > >>> From: kimharch@cut.net
> > >>> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com
> > >>> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 19:38:06 -0600
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astronaut
> talk
> > >>>
> > >>> I expect to be vilified, but what the
> heck...
> > I disagree that nationalism
> > >>> is
> > >>> an acceptable argument. If the ISS is
> supposed
> > to promote cooperation,
> > >>> then
> > >>> why not cooperate to a limited extent
> (ride
> > Russian vehicles) and use the
> > >>> opportunity to pursue our own goals?
> > >>>
> > >>> Kim
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com
> > >>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com]
> > On Behalf Of Steve
> > >>> Fisher
> > >>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 7:32 PM
> > >>> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Astronaut
> talk
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Downside?
> > >>>
> > >>> Loss of pride? Degradation of American
> > exceptionalism? Should I go on?
> > >>> While I agree with you that the ISS has
> > probably not been a huge
> > >>> bennefit,
> > >>> it has at least been an oppirtunity for
> the
> > United States to Lead, not
> > >>> follow. Lets stand back and do nothing
> for a
> > while longer and maybe we
> > >>> can
> > >>> pay the French for a ride.
> > >>> Just my two cents worth. Your opinion
> may
> > vary.
> > >>> Steve
> > >>>
> > >>>> From: kimharch@cut.net
> > >>>> To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com
> > >>>> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:58:02
> -0600
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy]
> Astronaut
> > talk
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Interesting read, Joe. Thanks. Rather
> than
> > post my comments at the
> > >>>> DesNews
> > >>>> site, I thought I'd share with this
> list.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> What's the downside of using a
> > tried-and-true Russian vehicle for
> > >>>> further
> > >>>> ISS missions? Doesn't this allow us
> to go
> > on to develop the next phase
> > >>>> without having to develop and build
> (or
> > re-use existing technology) a
> > >>>> payload system just to service the
> ISS?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> A bit unrelated to your blog: I
> personally
> > think the ISS is a waste of
> > >>>> our
> > >>>> time. In my opinion, US/NASA goals
> should
> > have been (1) return to Moon,
> > >>>>
> > >>> and
> > >>>
> > >>>> (2) go to Mars, without the stopover
> at
> > the ISS. I've not read any
> > >>>> convincing justification for it (the
> ISS).
> > Other thoughts?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Kim
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com
> > >>>> [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com]
> > On Behalf Of Joe
> > >>>>
> > >>> Bauman
> > >>>
> > >>>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:14 PM
> > >>>> To: Utah Astronomy
> > >>>> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Astronaut
> talk
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Astronaut Kent Rominger spoke
> Saturday at
> > Clark Planetarium; here's my
> > >>>>
> > >>> blog
> > >>>
> > >>>> about it (with Cory's interesting
> photo):
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> http://www.deseretnews.com/blog/47/10011698/Nightly-news-astronomy-The-Need-
> > >>>
> > >>>> to-Explore.html
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks, Joe
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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