Never meant anything to be behind anyone's back, Joe, and no names were mentioned. It's a public forum, lots of peole are reading this and even if you weren't subscribed, we are sure that the comments would probably get back to you. Just talking about a chain of events and giving a nod to Daniels (and Eriks comments rang at least partly true, to be fair) outline of that series of events. I also apologized for my part in perhaps escalating it, and tried to communicate a strategy for myself that wouldn't get me in the deep end anymore. Still, for the life of me, I can't see uncivility in the original exchange. All I see is disagreement. Seems that differences of opinion are at the core of it, not a lack of decorum or rudeness. Members can unsubscribe themselves, BTW, an admin doesn't have to do it. Several others who's screen names I recognized have joined over there recently, you're not the only one. This is MY last post on anything contentious. Too much sensitivity, too many people offended when no offense is intended- or even expressed. It's just telescopes and kumbaya from now on.