Well, I have always thought of myself as a realist, but maybe I've been wrong all this time. ;-) I know of no news analyst, politician, news organization, science institution or otherwise that gives the Bush credit for any advances in the sciences during his tenure in the White House. The fact that advances have been made during the past eight years is credit to individuals, universities and private industry and not to the Bush administration. And, for what it's worth, I don't consider improved abilities to kill people scientific advancement. As Dave pointed out, I'm still a male. I just have one of those names... Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Allred Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:43 AM To: 'Utah Astronomy' Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science Challenges for the Next Administration Personally, I think she is the realist. Bush has been a disaster. IMHO I can't think of anything he has managed well. You cannot give him credit for the scientific advances that have occurred despite his incompetence. Tyler No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1777 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 9:53 AM