I've really been enjoying the spirited, yet well behaved, verbal duel between Kim and Chuck! It is great, back and forth. Now I have to chime in.

Don't you think that for most of human history men, women, and children ended each day by sitting around a fire, eating dinner, talking, and watching the stars come out? Don't you think there is ample evidence that early man noticed the stars change position a bit each night, and noticed that some (the planets) seemed to move quite a bit, and that they all seemed to move in concert with the seasons? In trying to reconcile what they saw with the rest of their lives they (we) probably discovered (invented) time keeping, science, and religion. Don't you think that process is worth investigation? I know the speaker the other night was headed off into "Art Bell" territory, but don't you think it warrants investigation? Maybe?

Chuck, I don't think Einstein ever said, "Its all relative."

He did say, "

The important thing is not to stop questioning." and

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science."

and last but not least, Joe Theisman said, "

Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." Joe was so right.