Not all the views from the valley were bad. We were stuck here in Magna helping a student build a telescope. I was able to get out for half an hour near 1 am, and counted at least eight good meteors, and caught the ring nebula in my little 8" F4 (didn't have the time to haul out anything larger). I couldn't see anything very great since there is far too much sky glow, but I was happy with what I did see. Brightest one I saw was probably mag 1 - 0 or around there, easily as bright as Vega, or more so. This one traveled from about the handle of the big dipper to Spica before it disappeared. I wasn't under impressed, but that's probably due to the fact I didn't expect much, or anything from my location. I knew it wasn't going to be prime viewing. Lisa Zeigler