Guy, don't feel so threatened. I don't reject the technology, you miss my point. You are bound and determined to not allow that sometimes, for many of us, getting there is half the fun. Sometimes getting there is ALL the fun. I'd much rather walk to work, had I six hours per day to spend in commuting. I drive because I have no real choice. In astronomy I have the choice. It's not a question of efficiency, of abandoning the past and embracing the present. It's a much more complex issue, and I can see that you will probably not ever see my point of view. No sweat, I still like you. We sure do have different viewpoints. Chances are I'm going to outlive you, so in the end I'll win this argument anyway by your forfieture. Then I'm going to epoxy a little model Dob on your headstone. ;) Happy New Year! __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/