Doubling the amount of made produced CO2 is still miniscule. If you melted all the ice in the Arctic the sea level would not rise 1 centimeter. The Arctic ice floats on the water and just like your lemonade the melting ice does not increase the level of liquid in the glass. The Antarctic is a different story. BT -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Spencer Ball Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:57 PM To: 'Utah Astronomy' Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Global Warming... Climate Change... It should be remembered that man made CO2 amounts to about 1/50 of the CO2 production of all other life forms, and that amount is much less than the CO2 from the warming and cooling of the ocean. It also should be considered that the amount of ice contained in both polar caps would amount to an increase of 300-400 feet of the ocean. About 4 inches of rising waters does not account for much of that ice. Spencer Ball Spencer Ball & Associates, LC 3690 E. Ft Union Blvd # 101 Salt Lake City, UT 84121 (801) 453-2000 spencer@spencerball.com -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of stormcrow60@xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:41 PM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Global Warming... Climate Change... Robert Taylor said: "It's very simple. In some places it is melting and others it is not. For example the ice in the Himalayas is growing and inland Greenland (not the coast so much) it is thinning some what. We hear a lot about Greenland and nothing about the Himalayas, why is that?" Robert, the ice and glaciers in the Himalayas are shrinking and melting quite rapidly. I just saw pictures from around the base of Mt. Everest taken from I believe 1929 0r 1930 and then very recently. The contrast in the receding of the glaciers is alarming. The impact to roughly 2 billion people who will not have fresh water to drink when the glaciers can no longer feed the huge Asian rivers that nourish these people will be tremendous. I do not know where you get the information stating that the ice in the Himalayas is not melting. This is a false statement. Again... in my mind set, the debate for or against global warming... climate change... whatever you want to call it, is based on a very simple axiom. The folks claiming global warming is true are American and global scientists. The folks claiming global warming is false is mainly... by and large, the fossil fuel industry. One side has nothing to gain by promoting their interpretation of their scientific data. It is their data, compiled from their instruments and testing procedures. However, the other side has hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars to lose if legislation is passed to reduce CO2 and other greenhouse gases. Why should I believe the fossil fuel industry? They do not serve my interests... or any body else's interests other than their own. Besides, there is a whole economy based on renewable energy sources and tampering the affects of global warming. This nation needs to stop hindering progress and be on the forefront of sorely needed changes in the way we ive our lives, do business locally, nationally and globally. Just my two or three cents. Jon _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com