Guy and Ed, the point wasn't about marginalizing the flying experience- as a former sailplane pilot I know all too well what you guys are talking about, WITHOUT a deafening engine drowning out even simple conversation- a much more "organic" flying experience- with more finesse and less of a brute force approach. What I intended to do was compare the richness of the experience of getting to the top of a mountain via two different routes. Flying straight there in a helicopter from the valley floor was a short, perhaps interesting experience, but I can't agree at all that it was anywhere nearly as satisfying as working ones way to the summit, on the mountain's terms. Earning something is always, always the more satisfying route than having it handed to you on a platter no matter how interesting the technology. The minimalization of effort, for it's own sake, is rarely if ever intrinsically a good thing. And Guy, as you pointed out yourself, when the technology fails, you're basically screwed if you don't know the sky. Again, I'm not outright condemning using the bells and whistles, just against not learning the basics- not learning to find your way out of the woods, so to speak. Learn the sky, learn to navigate, learn the why's and how's, and you're truly an amateur astronomer. Ignore the fundamentals- depend on the GOTO brain- and you're just another Guy with a telescope. __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com