Dear Friends, Please keep me from making a fool of myself. I would ask that anyone skilled in interpreting astrophotos take a look at my views of M51 that I took the morning of June 18 and posted on June 20 to my gallery on the UtahAstronomy site -- the URL is always at the bottom of these messages. Then please copy my views and compare them with the discovery photos of the supernova, dating from June 26 (I think) and posted at this site: http://www.rochesterastronomy.org/sn2005/sn2005cs.html -- also look at later photos. I think I got a view of the SN before it was announced. But I may be wrong. Possibly what I think is it is merely a bright cloud of star-material and what they're talking about is something else that does not show in my photos. But it certainly looks like it to me, biased as I am. Also, I have kept all my raw files made that night -- I took a fair number of exposures. Thanks, Joe PS: It won't hurt my feelings a bit if it does not show the SN. I really want you more experieced folks to take a look before I open my mouth. Thanks again, Joe