Thanks again, Michael. A great piece that I hadn't seen yet this morning. I will be writing a letter to Senator Buttars and other legislators regarding this issue, probably tomorrow. If anyone wishes to sign on, I'll create some appropriate letterhead and add your name to the letter. It won't be possible to circulate it for everyone's signature before I want to get it in the mail (next week), but it will alert Mr. Buttars that others are concerned, as well. Contact me off-list if you want to pursue this with me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kwan" <mwkwan@sisna.com> To: "'Utah Astronomy'" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 8:52 AM Subject: RE: [Utah-astronomy] science and religion | Here is proof-positive we are on-topic: | | http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_2915082 | | | Michael W. Kwan | | Chances are high that one or more of the foregoing statements was intended | as humor by an individual with little to no discernible sense of humor. No | offense was intended to any person, animal, reglion, political party, | spirit, race, ethinicity, gender, sexual orientation, plant, fungus or other | as-of-yet-to-be-discovered form of life or death. If you find any statement | to be offensive, I sincerely apologize and humbly beg for your forgiveness. | -----Original Message----- | From: utah-astronomy-bounces+mwkwan=sisna.com@mailman.xmission.com | [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+mwkwan=sisna.com@mailman.xmission.com] On | Behalf Of Kim Hyatt | Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:26 PM | To: Utah Astronomy | Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] science and religion | | To demonstrate that this discussion is indeed "on topic," consider the | following theoretical scenario: | | Senator Buttars, the Eagle Forum lobbyists, et. al. successfully push | through legislation requiring that creationism/intelligent design | instruction be included in Utah's science curricula for all public schools, | grades K-12. A provision of the legislation requires that any person using | public school property for demonstrations or discussions of science must | also give ID equal time. SLAS membership finds that to continue to provide | its FREE public star parties to public schools its members must first | undergo "creationism/ID sensitivity training" and give equal time to this | "theory" during any event it hosts on public school property. | | I could be wrong (my wife says I am wrong more often than not) but I don't | think this scenario is all that far-fetched. Off-topic? Don't think so, | either. | | Thanks Patrick and South Jordan Mom | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "South Jordan Mom" <sjordanmom@yahoo.com> | To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> | Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 6:01 PM | Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] science and religion | | || Well that's a good point and I agree. I meant that because the list is | entitled Utah-astronomy, as opposed to Utah-science, that a discussion about | | anything that isn't strictly about astronomy could be considered off-topic. || || Patrick Wiggins <paw@trilobyte.net> wrote:South Jordan Mom wrote: || > These off-topic thoughtful discussions are actually what I like most | about this list. || || "Off topic"? I don't think so. All of us here are interested in || astronomy, and for that matter, science in general. || || I don't see that anything we discuss here that may help keep science || from turning into pseudo-science can be called off topic. || || Let's keep it up, || || Patrick || || _______________________________________________ || Utah-Astronomy mailing list || Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com || http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy || Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com || || || || --------------------------------- || Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page || _______________________________________________ || Utah-Astronomy mailing list || Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com || http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy || Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com || || ______________________________________________________________________ || This e-mail has been scanned by Cut.Net Managed Email Content Service, | using Skeptic(tm) technology powered by MessageLabs. 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