Hey, Chuck stole my lines, LOL. Now all I can say is Ditto. Rich had a great thoughtful and logical post as well. To continue a thought in Rich's post about human beings continuing to learn and trying to figure things out, doesn't it say in the LDS scriptures - I forget if it's the D & C or the Pearl of Great Price- something to the effect that whatever knowledge someone acquires in this life they will carry with them to the afterlife and the more they learn and figure things out here, the farther ahead they'll be toward their progression as a god themselves? When I went to that church, the intelligent members I knew never believed that God was "magic", they firmly believed that God worked within laws of nature, we just didn't know or understand all those laws as of yet. They didn't have the attitude that no one should be trying to figure these things out and just be content to sit back and say "God did it all, I don't know how, he just did it" and leave it at that. And from what I've read about most of the early church leaders, they all encouraged members to be openly curious and questioning, to never take anything on blind faith but to do all they could to learn and reason things out for themselves both in regards to religion and the world around them. I only bring this up because Buttars is LDS and most of his supporters are LDS as well. It seems to me they need more people like Rich to look to as an example, instead of people like Buttars who in my opinion actually misunderstands his own faith and ends up espousing dogmatism. Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> wrote: What a stud! Kurt, you're my hero. No apology needed. Well written and reasoned. Looking for an apprentice? --- Canopus56 wrote:
First, a short apology to listserv participants. This is an overlength and somewhat over the top response to Jim and Don questions.
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