Not true, recent measurements show many glaciers are growing. You can Google it. Also it is AGAIN important to REPEAT, no one is saying the Earth has not been going through a warming trend, it is, warming will cause some glaciers and ice to melt and long term we may see sea levels rise. But it's natural! What you are trying to do is say that if you can show warming, that is proof that man is causing it. I don't reject warming, I reject the man made cause. It's a cycle, and it will repeat many more times. If you want to use money as bias how about Al Gore who is making hundreds of Millions from Global warming? How about the entire environmental movement that has found a cash cow in the Global warming scam? Now into hundreds of Billions. The list of people getting rich on one side or another is long. That said I do know what the oil and gas industry provide to me, I don't understand what Al Gore and Green Peace do and how they help me. These people don't want progress Jon, they want control, Global warming is just a tool to get control. BT -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of stormcrow60@xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:41 PM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Global Warming... Climate Change... Robert Taylor said: "It's very simple. In some places it is melting and others it is not. For example the ice in the Himalayas is growing and inland Greenland (not the coast so much) it is thinning some what. We hear a lot about Greenland and nothing about the Himalayas, why is that?" Robert, the ice and glaciers in the Himalayas are shrinking and melting quite rapidly. I just saw pictures from around the base of Mt. Everest taken from I believe 1929 0r 1930 and then very recently. The contrast in the receding of the glaciers is alarming. The impact to roughly 2 billion people who will not have fresh water to drink when the glaciers can no longer feed the huge Asian rivers that nourish these people will be tremendous. I do not know where you get the information stating that the ice in the Himalayas is not melting. This is a false statement. Again... in my mind set, the debate for or against global warming... climate change... whatever you want to call it, is based on a very simple axiom. The folks claiming global warming is true are American and global scientists. The folks claiming global warming is false is mainly... by and large, the fossil fuel industry. One side has nothing to gain by promoting their interpretation of their scientific data. It is their data, compiled from their instruments and testing procedures. However, the other side has hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars to lose if legislation is passed to reduce CO2 and other greenhouse gases. Why should I believe the fossil fuel industry? They do not serve my interests... or any body else's interests other than their own. Besides, there is a whole economy based on renewable energy sources and tampering the affects of global warming. This nation needs to stop hindering progress and be on the forefront of sorely needed changes in the way we ive our lives, do business locally, nationally and globally. Just my two or three cents. Jon _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com