Thanks for posting those- they are about as precise and informative as a horoscope- and equally as impossible to prove or disprove. Vague generalities. Those who reference scripture as supposedly literally bolstering their point of view use a typical argument: 'There is is, plain as day, if you don't get it the way I get it, then there's something wrong with you.' As a person who was raised and educated in a structured religious environment until my early teens, and among many who were scriptural literalists, I always interpreted the "in God's image" line as referring to the structure of the soul, the thought process of choosing good over evil, the experience of love and understanding, charity, compassion, tolerance. It never had anything to do with physicality and I always thought those who took that point of view were missing the true message. --- South Jordan Mom <sjordanmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
Any chance you can find out the exact source/article(s) Buttars is claiming as the foundation of his views? That would really be helpful for counterpoints with him. Might not change his mind, but could make some headway with normal citizens.
I did find an article from the February 2002 Ensign on lds.org last night. The address in the browser didn't link directly to the article, it linked to some search results so I tried to post the article but got my message rejected for being too large. So I copied and posted the article on my website at http://www.warnerit.com/evolution/feb2002ensign.htm
I also found another article in the May 2004 New Era which I copied and posted at http://www.warnerit.com/evolution/may2004newera.htm
They leave a bit of room for interpretation in my opinion, but for someone who wanted to believe that the church is saying the evolution of man absolutely did not occur, they certainly can be interpreted that way.
Are members supposed to believe what is published in church magazines or are they supposed to take these things as leaders personal opinions? This is a sincere question, not meant to be ridiculing or anything.
Not trying to pick on the LDS church, but Buttars is LDS and according to Chuck's source he wants to enforce his own personal religious views as law that applies to everyone in the state regardless of whether they are LDS or not and regardless of whether other LDS people interpret the same things the same way he does. That is just wrong. There is a good reason we have a separation of church and state and that needs to be maintained. If I was still active in the LDS church I would feel the same way.
I am still looking for the statement I received a copy of while at BYU to see who said it, if not Benson. I do remember much of the wording so I think I will recognize it once I find it.
Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> wrote: Rich, you had better let Senator Buttars know this. He stated in a recent meeting that that was his reason for disbelieving evolution. He may have as much trouble reading church history and doctrine as he does with scientific articles.
I'm still waiting for permission to quote my source.
I can tell you that this person holds an elected public office and has met with the Senator.
--- Richard Tenney wrote:
For the record, no LDS prophet (speaking as such) has, to my knowledge anyway (and I've researched this a fair bit), ever said that "evolution isn't true".
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