Jon, You made one of my points Ø I understand everyone has their own opinion, but if one is discussing science, then scientific data should be provided< I said we don’t have enough data to show how much is normal and how much is man cause. So, Jon, no opinions, where are the data that says we know the long cycle norms for worming and cooling? How much over the norm are we contributing? I did say, I may have missed it, but I have not seen anyone say they know the long cycle norms. Jim --- On Wed, 3/4/09, stormcrow60@xmission.com <stormcrow60@xmission.com> wrote: From: stormcrow60@xmission.com <stormcrow60@xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Global Cooling To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 9:03 AM Ah Contraire Jim, I watched a science program on Discover, Science Channel or Nat'l Geoographic (I cannot remember which), that discussed the so-called "noise" in the global warming data. The data presented on the program confirms beyond a shadow of doubt that humans are contributing more CO2 into the atmosphere than the Earth can handle. This is the same exact data that NOAA, NASA and other international science institutes are using to support their claims of human induced global warming. If I can find the link to that particular program on one of their websites, I will post it here. All I see from these statements are personal opinions, with nothing scientific to back them up. I understand everyone has their own opinion, but if one is discussing science, then scientific data should be provided. That seems reasonable does it not? Stay tuned for a link if I can find it. Jon _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com