To what Jim has offered let me add that the Russell eyepieces may perform better in a longer focal-ratio instrument than the ED 80, but I didn't confirm that. Jim uses the same model ED 80 refractor that I do, and my f/15 refractor only has a 1.25" focuser. The Russells have 2" barrels. Gary Seronik has excellent eyepiece advice on page 138 of the August S&T; he even mentions consistency of quality in given manufacturers. I also echo Brent's sentiment on orthos. The image is just that little bit 'cleaner' than other designs, once you get past the relatively narrow field (which isn't a handicap at really high powers anyway, especially on planets). C. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail