Hi Rich, No, climate modeling is an appropriate science even though it is still in it's infancy and the dynamics being studied are quite fluid. Conservancy is definitely of value when trend lines determine that course of action. The "shove this" comment was just a brutish way of indicating that climate history is the most valid interpretation of what "climate" did and what it will do. Climate modeling tries to determine what dynamics are involved in any trends that the climate goes through. My research, ( I have a computer;) indicates that this is extremely complicated, highly speculative, and the data incomplete. As I indicated, if you want to know "what" climate is doing look at history, if you want to know "why" it does it....well... I suppose the "disdain" you mentioned has to do with the scandals and LIES the current administration finds itself buried in. They need a diversion so they trot out the tried and true scare the hell out em global warm.. er ..climate change report. I am sick of Americans being manipulated like this and that was on my mind when I posted that to U-A. Sorry to bring in the politics but it completes the sequence. I love Astronomy. Ron
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 07:26:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Tenney <retenney@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Tree rings reveal nightmare droughts in Western U.S. -- ScienceDaily Message-ID: <1399472817.18404.YahooMailNeo@web140405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
"shove this" makes it sound like you have disdain for climate modelers. ?A history of severe droughts only amplifies the need for conservancy, IMO.
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Shove this in your climate modeling
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140501101123.htm#.U2msJN5LqLw.e...
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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 09:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Shelton <astroshelton@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] St. George Astronomy Group Message-ID: <1399478990.28265.YahooMailNeo@web162001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Hi, All I would like to let this list know that a group of Astronomers are forming in the St. George area. Here is a link to a web site with information on the group.
St. George Astronomy Group
St. George Astronomy Group The St. George Astronomy Group is an informal association of local amateur astronomers. The group was formed to (a) exchange ideas and foster fellowship ... View on sites.google.com Preview by Yahoo
If you have an interest on joining the group in St. George you can get information from the internet site or contact me direct. We are just getting going and hope to become a great bunch of Astronomers here in the St. George Area.?
Mark Shelton
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Message: 3 Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 10:20:00 -0600 From: Dave Gary <davegary@me.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Mars: 5/7/2014 Message-ID: <185E3634-D878-4732-98A3-A7C0B381ABFF@me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
This is best photo I could get of Mars last night. Fought clouds and wind. Tomorrow night is supposed to be better and I hope to get a better shot. I have a lot to learn about planetary imaging. I?m beginning to think this life-long learning gig isn?t all it?s cracked up to be.
Dave https://www.flickr.com/photos/78046474@N06/14131102745/
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Message: 4 Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 16:43:54 +0000 From: Seth Jarvis <SJarvis@slco.org> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Mars: 5/7/2014 Message-ID: <D082D38133A6F148BF53199F8AD96D8568B9FF55@SLCMAIL3.slcounty.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
That's actually a really nice image. What telescope/camera?
Seth
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dave Gary Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 10:20 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Mars: 5/7/2014
This is best photo I could get of Mars last night. Fought clouds and wind. Tomorrow night is supposed to be better and I hope to get a better shot. I have a lot to learn about planetary imaging. I'm beginning to think this life-long learning gig isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Dave https://www.flickr.com/photos/78046474@N06/14131102745/
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