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Re: [Utah-astronomy] TIME
by Joe Bauman 06 Jul '13

06 Jul '13

------------------------------ On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 12:09 PM MDT Ed wrote: >Hi Joe, > >The Grand America historical display seemed to be connected with the Glenn Beck show this evening. All I know about it was from an interview of Reed Moon on the radio on July 4th, I believe. The demand was so great that additional tours of the exhibit had to be added for this weekend. The display was not just American Revolution era, but extended to modern times. > >Back to your collection: > >I gather these are some of the reasons why your daguerreotypes are so rare: > >1. This was the first photographic medium and did not gain widespread use until the mid 1800s > >2. By that time there would have been few surviving veterans of the American Revolution because the youngest enlistees would be reaching their 90s. > >3. Of those, a few opted to have their photo taken by the newfangled process which I assume was expensive at that time. > >4. Of the daguerreotypes that exist depicting old people, the problem of positively identifying the person as a veteran of the war is difficult. > >5. On the other hand, these early photos might be more likely to survive passing from one generation to the next because their weight could signify their importance as opposed to a paper object. > >Did I miss anything? > >I still don't understand what the card photo was for. Did one carry several of these for use as business cards of the times? What words does the acronym CDV stand for? > >And, what is the description on the bottom of your five card photos all about? It seems the two Moores were responding to an 1864 act of Congress to place card photos of veterans as a record in the District Court of Connecticut. The description for Lemuel Cook is misplaced downward indicating it was added to an existing card after the card was made. > >Was this perhaps an early version of the current effort of historians to record the exploits of WWII and subsequent war veterans before they all pass away? > >BTW, all of this is somewhat related to astronomy because Wikipedia claims that the first correctly exposed photo of an eclipse of the sun was done with the daguerreotype process. > >Thanks for helping us understand more about your collection, > >Ed > > >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] TIME
by Joe Bauman 06 Jul '13

06 Jul '13

Hi Ed, First, few veterans of the Revolution lived long to be photographed, as you mentioned. Then there are these factors to consider -- of these, few would have been well enough or inclined to be photographed, as daguerreotypes were relatively expensive; of daguerreotypes that were taken, only a small minority were identified in the case because, at the time one was taken, everybody in the family knew who the old man was -- I have plenty of daguerreotypes of old fellows that aren't identified, just as with ordinary daguerreotype portraits; daguerreotypes were one of a kind, the plate that went into the camera, not a print, so when one was destroyed or thrown out, that image was just gone. I can't think of any daguerreotype of a southern Revolutionary, probably because so much of the South burned during the Civil War. A card photo is a small print on paper glued to a rectangle of cardboard. The information at the bottom identifies the person and the photographers and the business about filing it is justva copyright notice from that era, so other photographers wouldn't copy it and sell the photo as their own work. -- Joe ------------------------------ On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 12:09 PM MDT Ed wrote: >Hi Joe, > >The Grand America historical display seemed to be connected with the Glenn Beck show this evening. All I know about it was from an interview of Reed Moon on the radio on July 4th, I believe. The demand was so great that additional tours of the exhibit had to be added for this weekend. The display was not just American Revolution era, but extended to modern times. > >Back to your collection: > >I gather these are some of the reasons why your daguerreotypes are so rare: > >1. This was the first photographic medium and did not gain widespread use until the mid 1800s > >2. By that time there would have been few surviving veterans of the American Revolution because the youngest enlistees would be reaching their 90s. > >3. Of those, a few opted to have their photo taken by the newfangled process which I assume was expensive at that time. > >4. Of the daguerreotypes that exist depicting old people, the problem of positively identifying the person as a veteran of the war is difficult. > >5. On the other hand, these early photos might be more likely to survive passing from one generation to the next because their weight could signify their importance as opposed to a paper object. > >Did I miss anything? > >I still don't understand what the card photo was for. Did one carry several of these for use as business cards of the times? What words does the acronym CDV stand for? > >And, what is the description on the bottom of your five card photos all about? It seems the two Moores were responding to an 1864 act of Congress to place card photos of veterans as a record in the District Court of Connecticut. The description for Lemuel Cook is misplaced downward indicating it was added to an existing card after the card was made. > >Was this perhaps an early version of the current effort of historians to record the exploits of WWII and subsequent war veterans before they all pass away? > >BTW, all of this is somewhat related to astronomy because Wikipedia claims that the first correctly exposed photo of an eclipse of the sun was done with the daguerreotype process. > >Thanks for helping us understand more about your collection, > >Ed > > >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] TIME
by Ed 06 Jul '13

06 Jul '13

Hi Joe, The Grand America historical display seemed to be connected with the Glenn Beck show this evening. All I know about it was from an interview of Reed Moon on the radio on July 4th, I believe. The demand was so great that additional tours of the exhibit had to be added for this weekend. The display was not just American Revolution era, but extended to modern times. Back to your collection: I gather these are some of the reasons why your daguerreotypes are so rare: 1. This was the first photographic medium and did not gain widespread use until the mid 1800s 2. By that time there would have been few surviving veterans of the American Revolution because the youngest enlistees would be reaching their 90s. 3. Of those, a few opted to have their photo taken by the newfangled process which I assume was expensive at that time. 4. Of the daguerreotypes that exist depicting old people, the problem of positively identifying the person as a veteran of the war is difficult. 5. On the other hand, these early photos might be more likely to survive passing from one generation to the next because their weight could signify their importance as opposed to a paper object. Did I miss anything? I still don't understand what the card photo was for. Did one carry several of these for use as business cards of the times? What words does the acronym CDV stand for? And, what is the description on the bottom of your five card photos all about? It seems the two Moores were responding to an 1864 act of Congress to place card photos of veterans as a record in the District Court of Connecticut. The description for Lemuel Cook is misplaced downward indicating it was added to an existing card after the card was made. Was this perhaps an early version of the current effort of historians to record the exploits of WWII and subsequent war veterans before they all pass away? BTW, all of this is somewhat related to astronomy because Wikipedia claims that the first correctly exposed photo of an eclipse of the sun was done with the daguerreotype process. Thanks for helping us understand more about your collection, Ed

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Retail astronomy in Utah
by Joe Bauman 06 Jul '13

06 Jul '13

Probably there just aren't enough serious amateurs in this little oasis, and everybody has access to big on-line stores. -- Joe ------------------------------ On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 9:14 AM MDT Dion Davidson wrote: >I wanted to probe the collective memory of this group to find out about retail astronomy in Utah. I know the Clark Planetarium sells a few telescopes in its store. I know Inkley's on 21st S used to have a small telescope selection and a cabinet of cool accessories and eyepieces. Have there been any other examples of telescopes for sale in Utah? I'm not talking about classified ads or online sales, but the real-life, touch-and-see-before-you-buy kind. > >I guess I'm wondering why there isn't a telescope store here, like OPT or ScopeCity. > >We have darker skies (or easier access to them) than most of the places where those retail stores are located. We have, it seems, a large community of science-loving, earth-friendly (and sky friendly) people who might patronize such an establishment. And considering the cost of many good telescopes and accessories it seems that some of us might be more inclined to buy if we could see it and touch it and heft it and try it out before we commit. No wonder the lesser-quality telescopes on display at big box stores and toy stores sell - you can put a bow on them! > >Just wondering. > >Dion > >“I thought the telescope was broken, but upon further looking into it, I found out it was not.” >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Jordanelle Friday night
by Enid Norton 05 Jul '13

05 Jul '13

Is anyone still planning on going to Jordanelle?

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YMCA star party in soapstone basin.
by Daniel Holmes 05 Jul '13

05 Jul '13

Gang, I've been asked to put on a star party for the YMCA Camp Roger. Kinda short notice, but if anyone's available for Monday night (the 1st), I'd appreciate it. This is the one that was rained out last week. They have a large open field that we can setup in. They will allow us to drive onto the field to setup as well. I'm not sure about power, don't count on it. There will be about 30-40 kids at the camp that night, they will provide enough counselors to keep the kids coming in waves. I think if we could have somewhere around 3-4 scopes that'd be plenty. It'll be quite dark, there's really nothing around, although they have a restricted view until about 20-30 degrees up in most directions. Plan on starting around 9:30, I'll be getting there somewhere around 8-8:30 so I can setup while it's still light. Plan on about an hour from entering Parley's canyon. I'd be happy to caravan up with anyone. Directions: http://www.ymcautah.org/camp-roger/directions GPS is 40° 34' 31.1" N 111° 02' 44.0" W If you have any questions, please email me directly. They also said that if we'd like to stay there for a while after the kids go to bed, we are welcome to be up there--it's pretty dark skies. Thanks, Dan -- Sent from my iPhone. Please pardon any mispelings or errors.

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] TIME
by Joe Bauman 05 Jul '13

05 Jul '13

Hi Ed, I didn't know anything was displayed at the Grand America. To answer your questions, sometimes thetmy were made fir special occasions -- George Fishley's was made when he word his Continental hat in a Fourth of July celebration, etc. -- but mostly they were just like anyone else who was photographed. Card photos are like modern b & w prints mounted on cardboard the size of a visiting card. -- best wishes, Joe ------------------------------ On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 6:10 AM MDT Ed wrote: > >Hi Joe, > >I have not seen the magazine yet, but that is a very nice collection of historical photographs in the Light Box. Congratulations on having your material published in Time Magazine. > >Could you tell us what was the occasion or reason these photographs were originally made and what is a "card photo"? > >Would you care to comment on the historical memorabilia being displayed at the Grand America Hotel this week? > >Ed Stimpson > >---------------------- >Quoting Joe Bauman <josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com>: > >> Eight fully ID'd veterans in daguerreotypes, five in card photos. Believe it or not, those eight are the most in any one collection. Best wishes, Joe >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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TIME
by Joe Bauman 05 Jul '13

05 Jul '13

The TIME feature Light Box is out -- please take a look. Best wishes, Joe http://lightbox.time.com/2013/07/03/faces-of-the-american-revolution/?iid=l…

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Compressor free to good home
by Patrick Wiggins 03 Jul '13

03 Jul '13

Hey you ATMers (that makes this post on topic <g> ) and anyone else who might be interested: A friend has a gas powered air compressor that is old and a pain in the next to start. Such a pain that he was going to throw it out and get a new one. But I asked if I might have it and see if I can find any mechanically minded person that might want it. He said "fine". Any interest? patrick

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TIME
by Beverley Getzen 03 Jul '13

03 Jul '13

Yeah for you, joe! Whoo, HOO! You hit the big TIME!! -- Beverley Getzen Retired, US Army Corps of Engineers PO Box 202 Wadesboro, NC 28170-0202 704-694-7022 "There are times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time we fail to protest." Elie Wiesel, Holocaust survivor and Nobel Laureate.

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