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Opions please
by Jay Eads 02 Dec '13

02 Dec '13

Clark Planetarium until a few years ago when I assume funding from the legislature got cut had a program where teachers and students could sign up for a 3 day course and at the end of the 3 days they put together a base for either a XT8 (teachers) or a XT6 for students. I had several students from my astronomy program apply, and get accepted to that program and got a XT6. I know that out of 6, 3 are still using them 5 years or more later. Actually one via her mother contacted me on Facebook about a solar filter for her XT6 just last week and I was able to help her. I know what she is getting for Christmas. So with the Clark program kids were taught the constellations, given an Uncle Al star wheel and taught to use, and then taught how to use the scope. More was in there as well. I don't think that a fifty percent retention is bad. I'm sure for the program it may have been lower as my students got further support after the class while using the scope. In terms of my own opinion as an educator, kids don't need to be lectured. They need to be taught some basic skills, then scaffolded as they learn to use the telescope. Show them, then get out of the way because they will learn, apply and go. I believe firmly it is best to give a basic level of rudimentary knowledge, then get the kids actively engaged in the learning process by applying what they learned.If they need you, you can tell if your attentive or the kids will simply ask. I also agree with Brent that binoculars and a good atlas and book can accomplish the same thing. I guess it just depends what the goal is. I also think it is important for people to know that this is coming from the ZAP grant (correct) from SL County Zoo and Parks, not coming from SLAS funds. The grant is made to be used in activities like this I believe but someone can confirm that. The question for members of SLAS and the board is what is the best way to use the grant money to accomplish the goal that the give away is trying to accomplish. Is it fewer items with a higher quality telescope and good supports, or is it binoculars with supports? I think the thread is getting into what to do if there is a give away and I think that is best for either a board meeting or a general meeting (up to the board) for SLAS, since this isn't a SLAS message board. The discussion here is on WHAT to give away, a quality scope or a set of binoculars, or something else. Perhaps besides the scope or binoculars the discussion has to be on what other pieces of equipment should be a part of hte give away with the scope. Just some thoughts, feel free to disagree or state your own view. I'm done now as I mentioned equipment for scopes that couldbe mentioned. What binoculars for say $100 to $200 would you give away?

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Comet Lovejoy 12/2/2013 from the driveway in St. George
by Dave Gary 02 Dec '13

02 Dec '13

A couple of shots of Comet Lovejoy from the driveway this morning. http://www.flickr.com/photos/78046474@N06/sets/72157638282488235/ Dave

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Need a monitor?
by Wiggins Patrick 02 Dec '13

02 Dec '13

Anyone need a computer monitor? I've got a KDS XF-9B 19" Flat CRT Monitor I'd like to find a new home for: http://www.amazon.com/KDS-XF-9B-19in-CRT-Monitor/dp/images/B00007MENZ Free to whomever might want it. patrick

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New astronomy group in St. George
by Wiggins Patrick 02 Dec '13

02 Dec '13

My former boss at Hansen planetarium (actually the guy who hired me), John Mosely is now in the St. George area and has started an astronomy group there: St. George Astronomy Group http://sites.google.com/site/stgeorgeastronomygroup patrick

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Iowa Night Skies
by Bruce Hugo 02 Dec '13

02 Dec '13

I got a couple clear nights for some all sky photography. Here is one raw photo of Orion and Taurus. It seems the clouds are going to be with me for the next couple days and I didn't bring my "cloud filter". http://www.flickr.com/photos/22238456@N04/11173103305/ PS... I think I failed to clip the posts out of my last post to Utah-Astronomy. My apologies. Bruce Equipped with his five senses, man explores the universe around him and calls the adventure Science. - Edwin Powell Hubble

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Comet Lovejoy 12/2/2013 from the driveway in St. George
by Bruce Hugo 02 Dec '13

02 Dec '13

Love the Lovejoy pics! :-) Bruce Equipped with his five senses, man explores the universe around him and calls the adventure Science. - Edwin Powell Hubble

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Next ATM session
by Hutchings, Mat 02 Dec '13

02 Dec '13

Howdy all; Consider yourself invited to the next ATM session. This will be held on Saturday, 12/21/13 from 09:00 until 13:00 in my garage. Just a thought, but if someone out there is really motivated, you could use these sessions to learn how to make small dobs for the SLAS giveaways. How cool would that be, a local ATM making scopes to help the local club! Come learn how to make telescopes, or if you are an old time ATMer, come by for a brush up. Mat This message and any attachments are solely for the use of intended recipients. The information contained herein may include trade secrets, protected health or personal information, privileged or otherwise confidential information. Unauthorized review, forwarding, printing, copying, distributing, or using such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you received this email in error, and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email and any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your system. Thank you for your cooperation

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Comet ISON
by Bruce Hugo 02 Dec '13

02 Dec '13

Patrick - Thanks for the Youtube video link! Daniel - Agreed but I still think the overhype hurts the reporting reputation. Clear skies guys! Bruce Equipped with his five senses, man explores the universe around him and calls the adventure Science. - Edwin Powell Hubble ________________________________ From: "utah-astronomy-request(a)mailman.xmission.com" <utah-astronomy-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2013 10:58 PM Subject: Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 130, Issue 2 Send Utah-Astronomy mailing list submissions to utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to utah-astronomy-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at utah-astronomy-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Utah-Astronomy digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Comet ISON (Wiggins Patrick) 2. Re: Comet ISON (daniel turner) 3. Re: Need a monitor? (2 more + ) (Wiggins Patrick) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 14:35:05 -0700 From: Wiggins Patrick <paw(a)getbeehive.net> To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Comet ISON Message-ID: <929B97F8-D45A-4806-9263-F3816FFBEE50(a)getbeehive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Bruce, When Artyom Novichonok and Vitaly Nevsky discovered the comet last year I'm guessing they were not happy that it got named for the survey that discovered it and not them but now I'm guessing they're happy that the latest "comet of the century" does not bear their names. Lubo? Kohoutek should be so lucky. BTW, here's a nice amateur compilation of SOHO Lasco C2 and C3 images showing ISON's arrival and departure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wYkfXKeffU patrick (aka Grey Beard) On 01 Dec 2013, at 09:27, Bruce Hugo <bruce.hugo(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm currently talking a vacation in Iowa at my dad's cabin. Relaxing, doing some photography and catching up on some reading. I pick up my S&T and Astronomy magazines with ISON on the covers and am reminded of the classic photo showing the newpaper headline "Dewey Defeates Truman!" Heheheheheeheeee! > > Bruce ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 14:19:35 -0800 (PST) From: daniel turner <outwest112(a)yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Comet ISON Message-ID: <1385936375.18193.YahooMailNeo(a)web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 If another comet was found today with similar orbital parameters, it could potentially be the comet of the century all over again.? the Oort cloud origin, the very close perihelion distance, the favorable viewing geometry, all were very big entries in the plus column.? The size was the big unknown.? I heard anywhere from 2 k to 3 miles.? That doesn't sound like much but it adds up to a factor of 15 between the lowest and highest possible volume and mass.? That's a huge unknown and today unknowable factor.? Also there is the unknown composition from dirty snowball to snowy dirtball.? This could also be stretched? from frosty dustbunny to frosty iron cannonball for maybe a factor of 100 or more. ? With all these unknowns its no easy task to predict the outcome of a sun grazing Oort cloud member.? But that doesn't mean we should sneer at the efforts of the people who try to.? I much prefer to have overhype to underhype.?? We can't?leave the public with the notion that all comets are just big frauds.? We need to keep alive the hope, we need them to at least want to look at them.? Remember that today's young people have grown up on the internet.? They've seen hype all their lives and they are better at seeing through it without throwing a hissy fit.? The very reason that the print media indulges in hype today is that they are trying to address a younger audience than the people who were around during the 70's.? Newspapers and magazines are fighting for their lives and may go the way of the landline in the next decade.? I look forward to a sungrazing Oort cloud member by the name of "Comet Wiggins,? Comet of the Century".? The media would be camped out in his front yard like the O.J. Simpson trial.? And he would be loving every minute of it. DT From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com> >To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2013 11:24 AM >Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Comet ISON > > > > >IIRC, When I criticized the cover 'way back I got a big lecture, the upshot of which was that they have to print long in advance. True. But still, they should have had better editorial judgement. All this hoopla about comets of the century is damaging to astronomical outreach. > > >------------------------------ >On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 9:27 AM MST Bruce Hugo wrote: > >>I'm currently talking a vacation in Iowa at my dad's cabin.? Relaxing, doing some photography and catching up on some reading.? I pick up my S&T and Astronomy magazines with ISON on the covers and am reminded of the classic photo showing the? newpaper headline "Dewey Defeates Truman!"? Heheheheheeheeee! >> >>Bruce >> >>Equipped with his five senses, man explores the universe around him and calls the adventure Science. >>? - Edwin Powell Hubble >>_______________________________________________ >>Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >>Send messages to the list to >>Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >>The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >>To unsubscribe go to: >>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". > > >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 21:58:02 -0700 From: Wiggins Patrick <paw(a)getbeehive.net> To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Need a monitor? (2 more + ) Message-ID: <EB1562B7-3D8B-40CC-8967-0EADAE5A0A1E(a)getbeehive.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii With that one going so quickly I dug through my storage closet and found a couple more monitors and a scanner that could use new homes. Sony Trinitron HMD-A100 http://www.manualslib.com/manual/321700/Sony-Hmd-A100.html Sanyo DS13320 http://html.alldatasheet.com/html-pdf/207874/SANYO/DS13320/150/1/DS13320.ht… HP Scanjet 4470C scanner http://static.fixya.com/Manuals/H/HP/_3B68419CDCE472F4D1481053E81E93C9.pdf As before, free to whomever wants any/all of them. patrick On 30 Nov 2013, at 00:38, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I would, Patrick. Thanks, Joe > > > On Saturday, November 30, 2013 12:01 AM, Wiggins Patrick <paw(a)getbeehive.net> wrote: > > Anyone need a computer monitor? > > I've got a KDS XF-9B 19" Flat CRT Monitor I'd like to find a new home for: > http://www.amazon.com/KDS-XF-9B-19in-CRT-Monitor/dp/images/B00007MENZ > > Free to whomever might want it. > > patrick ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php End of Utah-Astronomy Digest, Vol 130, Issue 2 **********************************************

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Comet ISON
by Joe Bauman 01 Dec '13

01 Dec '13

IIRC, When I criticized the cover 'way back I got a big lecture, the upshot of which was that they have to print long in advance. True. But still, they should have had better editorial judgement. All this hoopla about comets of the century is damaging to astronomical outreach. ------------------------------ On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 9:27 AM MST Bruce Hugo wrote: >I'm currently talking a vacation in Iowa at my dad's cabin. Relaxing, doing some photography and catching up on some reading. I pick up my S&T and Astronomy magazines with ISON on the covers and am reminded of the classic photo showing the newpaper headline "Dewey Defeates Truman!" Heheheheheeheeee! > >Bruce > >Equipped with his five senses, man explores the universe around him and calls the adventure Science. > - Edwin Powell Hubble >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Comet ISON
by Bruce Hugo 01 Dec '13

01 Dec '13

I'm currently talking a vacation in Iowa at my dad's cabin. Relaxing, doing some photography and catching up on some reading. I pick up my S&T and Astronomy magazines with ISON on the covers and am reminded of the classic photo showing the newpaper headline "Dewey Defeates Truman!" Heheheheheeheeee! Bruce Equipped with his five senses, man explores the universe around him and calls the adventure Science. - Edwin Powell Hubble

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