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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cloudy
by Joe Bauman 30 Mar '13

30 Mar '13

Would you stop the videotaping whenever someone in audience follows up on the speaker's invitation and asks a question? ------------------------------ On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 2:22 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >> I hardly think we should or would record everything. I made a comment >you don't understand, and you made one I don't. Get some empathy >yourself, I saw no difference in SLAS meetings that the speaker was >recorded. > >Erik > >> My point is not remotely related to the issues of courtroom cameras. It >> was simply that the casual atmosphere we enjoy at club meetings would be >> chilled if someone were recording everything. I doubt I am the only member >> who would be hesitant to ask the speaker a question if it were videotaped. >> I might need help to understand something that is obvious to everyone >> else, but not want to look like a fool on some video. I know when Cory has >> a question I often need to urge her to put up her hand because she is shy. >> Why that situation is hard for you to understand mystified me. Don't pull >> courtroom cameras into the discussion, just try a little empathy. -- Joe >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 8:48 AM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >> >>> You're right Joe, I do not understand your comment. I've been recorded >>during presentations and it felt no different than not being recorded. >>You know the material or you don't. What is the phrase? There are no >>stupid questions, only stupid answers. I think the biggest issue was the >>cost of the equipment and storing the recordings. >> >>> HUH? Like a court of law? Man, what an amazing misintrepation of my >>> comment! >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 5:26 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >>> >>>It sounds a little like Joe thinks SLAS meetings are a court of law, I >>>doubt recording changes anything. It has been discussed before, buying >>>the equipment etc..... but never gets off the ground. >>>They're have been meetings worth recording. Recording would leave little >>>doubt about intellectual property. >>> >>> >>> >>> I certainly understand that point-of-view, Joe. It also requires a >>> level >>> of committment that may be hard to stick with in the long run. >>> Although >>> that solar lecture would have been a very good one to archive. >>> How would you feel if someone recorded a meeting on their own, with >>> the >>> speaker's permission? Is SLAS permission needed? >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I would be uncomfortable with that level of scrutiny. Every time >>> someone >>> made a joke or asked a dumb question, it would be recorded. I prefer >>> not >>> to >>> do video on a regular basis, but to keep our club casual. If we have a >>> notable speaker from out-of-town, who would be getting a fee of some >>> kind, >>> that might be worth recording -- if the speaker agrees. But otherwise >>> I'm >>> sure many of us would feel a dramatic chill fall across our >>> spontaneity. >>> Thanks, Joe >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> >>> Send messages to the list to >>> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> >>> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >>> club. >>> >>> To unsubscribe go to: >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >>> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> >>>Send messages to the list to >>>Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> >>>The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >>> club. >>> >>>To unsubscribe go to: >>>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>>Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >>> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> >>> Send messages to the list to >>> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> >>> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >>> club. >>> >>> To unsubscribe go to: >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >>> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >>> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >>Send messages to the list to >>Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >>The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >> club. >> >>To unsubscribe go to: >>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cloudy
by Joe Bauman 30 Mar '13

30 Mar '13

My point is not remotely related to the issues of courtroom cameras. It was simply that the casual atmosphere we enjoy at club meetings would be chilled if someone were recording everything. I doubt I am the only member who would be hesitant to ask the speaker a question if it were videotaped. I might need help to understand something that is obvious to everyone else, but not want to look like a fool on some video. I know when Cory has a question I often need to urge her to put up her hand because she is shy. Why that situation is hard for you to understand mystified me. Don't pull courtroom cameras into the discussion, just try a little empathy. -- Joe ------------------------------ On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 8:48 AM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >> You're right Joe, I do not understand your comment. I've been recorded >during presentations and it felt no different than not being recorded. >You know the material or you don't. What is the phrase? There are no >stupid questions, only stupid answers. I think the biggest issue was the >cost of the equipment and storing the recordings. > >> HUH? Like a court of law? Man, what an amazing misintrepation of my >> comment! >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 5:26 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >> >>>It sounds a little like Joe thinks SLAS meetings are a court of law, I >>doubt recording changes anything. It has been discussed before, buying >>the equipment etc..... but never gets off the ground. >>They're have been meetings worth recording. Recording would leave little >>doubt about intellectual property. >> >> >> >> I certainly understand that point-of-view, Joe. It also requires a >> level >>> of committment that may be hard to stick with in the long run. >>> Although >>> that solar lecture would have been a very good one to archive. >>> How would you feel if someone recorded a meeting on their own, with the >>> speaker's permission? Is SLAS permission needed? >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I would be uncomfortable with that level of scrutiny. Every time >>> someone >>> made a joke or asked a dumb question, it would be recorded. I prefer >>> not >>> to >>> do video on a regular basis, but to keep our club casual. If we have a >>> notable speaker from out-of-town, who would be getting a fee of some >>> kind, >>> that might be worth recording -- if the speaker agrees. But otherwise >>> I'm >>> sure many of us would feel a dramatic chill fall across our >>> spontaneity. >>> Thanks, Joe >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> >>> Send messages to the list to >>> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> >>> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >>> club. >>> >>> To unsubscribe go to: >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >>> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >>> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Utah-Astronomy mailing list >>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >>Send messages to the list to >>Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >>The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >> club. >> >>To unsubscribe go to: >>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >>Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cedar Breaks
by Joe Bauman 30 Mar '13

30 Mar '13

Thanks for the report, Debby! -- Joe ------------------------------ On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:01 PM MDT Debbie wrote: >Finally got some good double star viewing in. Seeing was typical desert >conditions but got good views the AL doubles star list from Alpha Leonis >down to Mu Bootis, with the exception of N Hydrae. Also viewed 24 Coma >Berences that was on Tyler Allred's website. Good yellow/blue wide double, >similar to Albireo. > >I've heard the astronomers in Cedar City go up to the radar towers on a >dirt road before you get to Cedar Breaks. I heard about it on Cloudy >Nights. It would be an overnight trip for me. If it were me, I would camp >at the campground near Cedar Breaks because that area is crawling with deer >and other critters. We almost hit a porcupine one year traveling back to >Duck Creek Village a few years ago. It is pretty dark there if you can get >away from the car lights near the road. > >Debbie > >On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 5:30 PM, <erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net> wrote: > >> >pretty sure I saw one (observing daily for 3 months). It also seemed >> associated with a CME. >> >> >> You actually saw a flare? White-light, or H-a? I've never seen a >> > visual solar flare in my life. >> > >> > Did you have the Drum Bus this year? ;-) >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Daniel Holmes >> > <danielh(a)holmesonics.com>wrote: >> > >> > Dad, me, and another guy who's name escapes me right now (Brad?) spent >> > the >> > day at my daughter's school doing solar observing with the kids. >> > >> > The sun is really active right now, nots of prominences, flares, spots, >> > etc. if you can, it's good viewing right now. >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > >> > Send messages to the list to >> > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > >> > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >> club. >> > >> > To unsubscribe go to: >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> > "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Comic
by D P Pierce 30 Mar '13

30 Mar '13

http://www.seattlepi.com/comics-and-games/fun/Edison/2013-03-29/ Deloy

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A Time-Lapse Map of Every Nuclear Explosion Since 1945 - by Isao Hashimoto
by Dave Gary 30 Mar '13

30 Mar '13

Off the astronomy track, but interesting. It’s pretty easy to conclude the southwestern United States has seen more than it’s fair share of exposure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cloudy
by Joe Bauman 30 Mar '13

30 Mar '13

HUH? Like a court of law? Man, what an amazing misintrepation of my comment! ------------------------------ On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 5:26 PM MDT erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net wrote: >>It sounds a little like Joe thinks SLAS meetings are a court of law, I >doubt recording changes anything. It has been discussed before, buying >the equipment etc..... but never gets off the ground. >They're have been meetings worth recording. Recording would leave little >doubt about intellectual property. > > > > I certainly understand that point-of-view, Joe. It also requires a level >> of committment that may be hard to stick with in the long run. Although >> that solar lecture would have been a very good one to archive. >> How would you feel if someone recorded a meeting on their own, with the >> speaker's permission? Is SLAS permission needed? >> >> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >> I would be uncomfortable with that level of scrutiny. Every time someone >> made a joke or asked a dumb question, it would be recorded. I prefer not >> to >> do video on a regular basis, but to keep our club casual. If we have a >> notable speaker from out-of-town, who would be getting a fee of some >> kind, >> that might be worth recording -- if the speaker agrees. But otherwise >> I'm >> sure many of us would feel a dramatic chill fall across our spontaneity. >> Thanks, Joe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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ISON tonight, 2013 MAR 30
by Patrick Wiggins 30 Mar '13

30 Mar '13

ISON's moving so slowly that rather than the usual pair shot 10 minutes apart tonight's pair are nearly 3 hours apart. Unfortunately that means the second one was shot when the comet was very low in the sky making for pretty poor seeing. http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/temp/C_2012_S1.2013MAR30.JPG I see no sign of a tail in either image. patrick

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The sun 3-29-2013
by Chuck Hards 29 Mar '13

29 Mar '13

A nice active sun today. Prominences on the small side, not as big as some I've seen over the course of this past winter, but numerous. Nice surface detail. I didn't see any evidence of flares, which should show-up as a sudden brightening near or between a close sunspot pair ("active region"). I didn't look in white light today and kind of wish I did, at the same time as the H-a view. The two views complement each other. The bad news is that I can't reach focus with the binoviewer on the PST, even with the included 2X Barlow relay lens installed. I also tried a 3X Barlow, fortunately the lens cell was removeable from the Barlow and threaded right onto the binoviewer, but it still wouldn't quite reach focus. If I can find a 4X or 5X negative lens that fits in the cell, I may try that. I may also try stacking the 2X and 3X tomorrow if time permits, but the high amplification required means very long FL eyepieces must be used so the final magnification isn't so high that I can't get an all-disk view. Right now, the paired eyepieces I have are 40mm, 28mm, 26mm, & 20mm. I may have to build a pair of 60mm if I end up with 4X or 5X amplification. I have also never tried the binoviewer in white light on the sun, so I may use it soon on my C5 or C6, both of which should reach focus just fine. I've got a glass filter for the C5 but the C6 uses Baader material. Final note: Very long FL eyepieces are kind of a pain to use in daylight. Using them in conjunction with a Barlow exascerbates the problem, as the eye relief is increased. Too much stray light when your eye isn't up against the eyeguard decreases acuity and is a distraction. I may need to rig up a kind of "mask" for the binoviewer in daylight, to eliminate this problem. Stay tuned.

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Cloudy
by Mark Shelton 29 Mar '13

29 Mar '13

Well it's looking cloudy in the south. But it's a very nice temp. Maybe it will clear off. Mark Sent from my iPhone

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Next ATM session
by Hutchings, Mat 29 Mar '13

29 Mar '13

To all who are, or who want to be, telescope makers, you are invited to the next ATM session. This will be held on Saturday, 3/30/13 from 09:00 until 14:00 in my garage. If you need directions to my house, please e-mail me off-list and I'll get driving directions to you. There will likely be some mirror grinding/polishing going on, bath interferometry, and other telescope modifications, etc. If you wonder what ATM means, also e-mail me off list and I'll explain. See you then. Mat This message and any attachments are solely for the use of intended recipients. The information contained herein may include trade secrets, protected health or personal information, privileged or otherwise confidential information. Unauthorized review, forwarding, printing, copying, distributing, or using such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you received this email in error, and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this email and any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please contact the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your system. Thank you for your cooperation

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